1 On [[todo/auto-create_tag_pages_according_to_a_template]], [[chrysn]]
4 > Instead of creating a file that gets checked in into the RCS, the
5 > source files could be left out and the output files be written as
6 > long as there is no physical source file (think of a virtual underlay).
7 > Something similar would be required to implement alias directive,
8 > which couldn't be easily done by writing to the RCS as the page's
9 > contents can change depending on which other pages claim it as an alias.
11 `add_autofile` could be adapted to do this, or a similar API could be
14 This would also be useful for autoindex, as suggested on
15 [[plugins/autoindex/discussion]]. I'd also like to use it for
16 [[plugins/contrib/album]].
18 One refinement I'd suggest is that if the transient page is edited,
19 its transient contents are evaluated and used as the initial
20 content for the edit box; after that, it'd become a static page. --[[smcv]]
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24 [[!template id=gitbranch branch=smcv/ready/transient author="[[smcv]]"]]
27 I think this branch is now enough to be useful. It adds the following:
29 If the `transient` plugin is loaded, `$srcdir/.ikiwiki/transient` is added
32 Pages with the default extension in the transient underlay are automatically
33 deleted if a page of the same name is created in the srcdir (or an underlay
34 closer to the srcdir in stacking order).
36 `tag` enables `transient`, and if `tag_autocreate_commit` is set to 0
37 (default 1), autocreated tags are written to the transient underlay.
39 `autoindex` uses autofiles. It also enables `transient`, and if
40 `autoindex_commit` is set to 0 (default 1), autoindexes are written to
41 the transient underlay.
43 autoindex ignores pages in the transient underlay when deciding whether
48 `remove` can't remove transient pages: this turns out to be harder than
49 I'd hoped, because I don't want to introduce a vulnerability in the
50 non-regular-file detection...
52 Transient tags that don't match any pages aren't deleted: I'm not sure
53 that that's a good idea anyway, though. Similarly, transient autoindexes
54 of directories that become empty aren't deleted.
56 Recent changes and aggregated files could conceivably go in the transient
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63 I had a look at implementing this. It turns out to be harder than I thought
64 to have purely in-memory pages (several plugins want to be able to access the
65 source file as a file), but I did get this proof-of-concept branch
66 to write tag and autoindex pages into an underlay.
68 This loses the ability to delete the auto-created pages (although they don't
69 clutter up git this way, at least), and a lot of the code in autoindex is
70 probably now redundant, so this is probably not quite ready for merge, but
73 Usage: set `tag_underlay` and/or `autoindex_underlay` to an absolute path,
74 which you must create beforehand. I suggest *srcdir* + `/.ikiwiki/transient`.
76 Refinements that could be made if this approach seems reasonable:
78 * make these options boolean, and have the path always be `.ikiwiki/transient`
79 * improve the `remove` plugin so it also deletes from this special underlay
81 >> Perhaps it should be something more generic, so that other plugins could use it (such as "album" mentioned above).
82 >> The `.ikiwiki/transient` would suit this, but instead of saying "tag_underlay" or "autoindex_underlay" have "use_transient_underlay" or something like that?
83 >> Or to make it more flexible, have just one option "transient_underlay" which is set to an absolute path, and if it is set, then one is using a transient-underlay.
84 >> --[[KathrynAndersen]]
86 >>> What I had in mind was more like `tag_autocreate_transient => 1` or
87 >>> `autoindex_transient => 1`; you might conceivably want tags to be
88 >>> checked in but autoindices to be transient, and it's fine for each
89 >>> plugin to make its own decision. Going from that to one boolean
90 >>> (or just always-transient if people don't think that's too
91 >>> astonishing) would be trivial, though.
93 >>> I don't think relocating the transient underlay really makes sense,
94 >>> except for prototyping: you only want one, and `.ikiwiki` is as good
95 >>> a place as any (ikiwiki already needs to be able to write there).
97 >>> For [[plugins/contrib/album]] I think I'd just make the photo viewer
98 >>> pages always-transient - you can always make a transient page
99 >>> permanent by editing it, after all.
101 >>> Do you think this approach has enough potential that I should
102 >>> continue to hack on it? Any thoughts on the implementation? --[[smcv]]
104 >>>> Ah, now I understand what you're getting at. Yes, it makes sense to put transient pages under `.ikiwiki`.
105 >>>> I haven't looked at the code, but I'd be interested in seeing whether it's generic enough to be used by other plugins (such as `album`) without too much fuss.
106 >>>> The idea of a transient underlay gives us a desirable feature for free: that if someone edits the transient page, it is made permanent and added to the repository.
108 >>>> I think the tricky thing with removing these transient underlay pages is the question of how to prevent whatever auto-generated the pages in the first place from generating them again - or, conversely, how to force whatever auto-generated those pages to regenerate them if you've changed your mind.
109 >>>> I think you'd need something similar to `will_render` so that transient pages would be automatically removed if whatever auto-generated them is no longer around.
110 >>>> -- [[KathrynAndersen]]