1 I think it would be a good idea to think about the standard layout style of ikiwiki, the current layout used in a standard setup and on ikiwiki.info as well looks a bit old-fashioned to me. I guess that a nice modern layout would attract more new ikiwiki users and boost the ikwiki community...
3 > FWIW, I agree. The actiontabs [[theme|themes]] would be a better default, but something which showed what ikiwiki was capable of (or more precicely: that ikiwiki is as capable as other popular wiki softwares) would be better still. — [[Jon]]
5 >> As an author of plugins that interact with the UI, I think it's good that
6 >> a *minimal* ikiwiki has a minimal anti-theme, and that plugins are
7 >> developed against the anti-theme - it's a "blank slate" for themes.
8 >> [[plugins/contrib/trail]] was much easier to get working in
9 >> the default anti-theme than in actiontabs and blueview.
11 >> Technical detail: all the standard themes are done by appending to the
12 >> anti-theme's CSS (albeit in ikiwiki's build system rather than during
13 >> the wiki build), rather than by replacing it - so themes that haven't
14 >> been updated for a new UI element end up using the version of it from
15 >> the anti-theme. [[plugins/Comments]] and [[plugins/contrib/trail]]
16 >> both need some tweaks per-theme to make them integrate nicely,
17 >> but most of the design comes from the anti-theme.
19 >> That doesn't necessarily mean the anti-theme should be the one used
20 >> on ikiwiki.info, or used by default in new wikis - from my
21 >> point of view, it'd be fine for either of those to be actiontabs
22 >> or something The important thing is to *have* a "blank slate" anti-theme
23 >> that looks simple but sufficient, as a basis for new styles (either
24 >> [[themes]], or wikis that want their own unique stylesheet), and derive
25 >> the other themes from it. --[[smcv]]
27 > Ikiwiki's minimal theme is not modern. It's postmodern. I like it for the
28 > reasons described here. <http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/web_minimalism/>
29 > " The minimalism sucked you in, it made the web feel like one coherent,
30 > unified thing, unlike the constellation of corporate edifices occupying
33 > I see an increasing trend back toward these principles, driven partly
34 > by limits of eg, smartphone UI. So I certianly won't be changing the
35 > look of any of my ikiwiki sites, including this one.
37 > `auto.setup` and `auto-blog.setup` could have different defaults,
38 > or allow a theme to be picked as [Branchable](http://branchable.com/)
39 > does. Perhaps actiontabs for auto-blog and default for wikis? --[[Joey]]
43 Is it still Joey's opinion that ikiwiki.info should remain using the anti-theme?
45 I'd like to make one last, clear petition to move ikiwiki.info to using the actiontabs
46 theme. Rationale below.
48 I wanted to just ask one last time if that was still the case. I've been considering
49 picking back up my ikiwiki hacking efforts, as well as thinking about my personal use
50 of ikiwiki, and I was privately pondering on the health of the project. IMHO, it's not
51 great unfortunately, and we could use more contributors. I feel that the anti-theme on
52 ikiwiki.info is putting off potential users and thus potential contributors. The
53 actiontabs theme would be a better "advert" for ikiwiki: a better demonstration of what
54 you *could* do with it, and I think that's an important function of the site. I think
55 people might come across ikiwiki.info whilst looking for basic information on the project
56 and be put off by the anti-theme.
58 Honestly, I also find it hard to read information on the site due to the anti-theme (yes,
59 the default font face and size etc. are my own brower's preferences, but I sometimes use
60 browsers on other machines that I have not configured), including the wide (lack of)
61 content margins, and prefer to interact with it (generally) using local clones.
62 (I've just made *this* edit this way, but actually because the login process via email
63 seems to be broken for edit/preview workflow. I might investigate/file about that later.)
65 I wonder if someone feels the same, since you defaulted to actiontabs on branchable.
67 Thanks, [[users/Jon]]. (PS: Every log in method failed for me with Firefox Quantum
68 trying to post this. Untrusted git push also failed.)