X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/d3a9cb4b126571f6342c3747df40ffd0b8f078b0..ac386bc7b69a8bf946918c0b46533975d249cf97:/doc/todo/fancypodcast.mdwn diff --git a/doc/todo/fancypodcast.mdwn b/doc/todo/fancypodcast.mdwn index 4b534ee67..31b6c44f9 100644 --- a/doc/todo/fancypodcast.mdwn +++ b/doc/todo/fancypodcast.mdwn @@ -236,24 +236,89 @@ I don't think ikiwiki offers a better way to do that, because there is normally no reason to do that. Why does it need an url of this form here? --[[Joey]] +> In all the popular, production-quality podcast feeds I've looked +> at, enclosure URLs are always absolute (even when they could be +> expressed concisely as relative). [Apple's +> example](http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/specs.html#example) +> does too. So I told \[[!meta]] to call `urlto()` with the third +> parameter true, which means the \[[!inline]] code here gets an +> absolute URL in `$pagestate{$p}{meta}{enclosure}`. To compute the +> enclosure's metadata, though, we of course need it as a local path. +> I didn't see a less +> [ongepotchket](http://www.jewish-languages.org/jewish-english-lexicon/words/1402) +> way at the time. If you have a better idea, I'm happy to hear it; +> if not, I'll add an explanatory comment. --[[schmonz]] + +>> I would be more comfortable with this if two two different forms of url +>> you need were both generated by calling urlto. It'd be fine to call +>> it more than once. --[[Joey]] + +>>> Heh, it was even easier than that! (Hooray for tests.) Done. +>>> --[[schmonz]] + +
+ Can't we avoid adding this div when there's no enclosure? --[[Joey]] +> Sure, I've moved the `` check to outside the +> section-and-div block for `{,inline}page.tmpl`. --[[schmonz]] + +Download this episode "Download this episode" is pretty specific to particular use cases. Can this be made more generic, perhaps just "Download"? --[[Joey]] +> Yep, I got a little carried away. Done. --[[schmonz]] + - - <TMPL_VAR AUTHOR ESCAPE=HTML>: <TMPL_VAR TITLE> - -This change removes the athor name from the title of the rss feed, which +This change removes the author name from the title of the rss feed, which does not seem necessary for fancy podcasts. And it is a change that could negatively impact eg, Planet style aggregators using ikiwiki. --[[Joey]] +> While comparing how feeds render in podcatchers, I noticed that +> RSS and Atom were inconsistent in a couple ways, of which this was +> one. The way I noticed it: with RSS, valuable title space was being +> spent to display the author. I figured Atom's display was the one +> worth matching. You're right, of course, that planets using the +> default template and somehow relying on the current author-in-the-title +> rendering for RSS feeds (but not Atom feeds!) would be broken by +> this change. I'm having trouble imagining exactly what would break, +> though, since guids and timestamps are unaffected. Would it suffice +> to provide a note in the changelog warning people to be careful +> upgrading their planets, and to customize `rssitem.tmpl` if they +> really prefer the old behavior (or don't want to take any chances)? +> --[[schmonz]] + +>> A specific example I know of is updo.debian.net, when used with +>> rss2email. Without the author name there, one cannot see who posted +>> an item. It's worth noting that planet.debian.org does the same thing +>> with its rss feed. (That's probably what I copied.) Atom feeds may +>> not have this problem, don't know. --[[Joey]] + +>>> Okay, that's easy to reproduce. It looks like this _might_ be +>>> a simple matter of getting \[[!aggregate]] to populate author in +>>> `add_page()`. I'll see what I can figure out. --[[schmonz]] + +>>>> Yep, that was mostly it. If the feed entry defines an author, +>>>> and the author is distinct from the feed name, we now show `NAME: +>>>> AUTHOR`, else just show `NAME` (same as always). In addition, +>>>> the W3 feed validator says `` is invalid, so +>>>> I replaced it with ``, and all of a sudden `r2e` +>>>> gives me better `From:` headers. With the latest on my branch, +>>>> when I generate the same planet as updo and run `r2e` over it, +>>>> the names I get in `From:` look like so: + + "updo: Junio C Hamano" + "updo: Greg Kroah-Hartman" + "updo: Eric Raymond: esr"` (article author != feed name, so we get both) + "updo: Jannis Pohlman: Jannis Pohlmann"` (oops! I tweaked the real updo) + +>>>> --[[schmonz]] + +++ b/templates/rsspage.tmpl + xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" + @@ -263,6 +328,19 @@ every crummy rss reader on earth is going to understand this? I'd put it at about 0%; I doubt ikiwiki's own rss reader understands such a mashup. --[[Joey]] +> The validator I used () told me to. +> Pretty sure it doesn't make anything work better in the podcatchers +> I tried. Hadn't considered that it might break some readers. +> Removed. --[[schmonz]] + +ikiwiki Does this added tag provide any benefits? --[[Joey]] + +> Consistency with the Atom feed, and of course it trumpets ikiwiki +> to software and/or curious humans who inspect their feeds. The tag +> arrived only in RSS 2.0, but that's already the version we're +> claiming to be, and it's over a decade old. Seems much less risky +> than the atom namespace bits. --[[schmonz]] + +>> Sounds ok then. --[[Joey]]