X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/b3d15bb1585945e2d4c53e8393acadb5342e59c7..69c560fc2195ec409e99806faf9ae7bdf7da1039:/doc/index/discussion.mdwn diff --git a/doc/index/discussion.mdwn b/doc/index/discussion.mdwn index edd5e23db..fc17ab380 100644 --- a/doc/index/discussion.mdwn +++ b/doc/index/discussion.mdwn @@ -5,8 +5,41 @@ Do so here.. Note that for more formal bug reports or todo items, you can also edit the [[bugs]] and [[todo]] pages. +[[toc ]] + # Installation/Setup questions +I ran into a problem when installing from svn. I got "invalid variable +interpolation" errors for Wrappers.pm. I added the flag '--extract-all' to +'po/Makefile' and 'po/t' to the xgettext line. Once I did that I was able +to make and make test just fine. --HarleyPig + +> It would be helpful if you could post the actual error message you saw. +> Also would be nice to know what versions of perl and gettext you have. +> Perhaps your xgettext is an older version from before it natively +> supported perl. +> Adding --extract-all doesn't seem like a good idea, since this causes it +> to treat every string in the entire wiki as translatable. I don't know +> what you're talking about regarding 'po/t'. --[[Joey]] + +>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/www/ikiwiki/po' +>> Rebuilding the pot file +>> xgettext ../IkiWiki/CGI.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/aggregate.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/brokenlinks.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/camelcase.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/ddate.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/favicon.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/fortune.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/goodstuff.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/googlecalendar.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/haiku.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/html.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/htmlscrubber.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/htmltidy.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/httpauth.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/img.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/inline.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/linkmap.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/map.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/mdwn.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/meta.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/mirrorlist.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/openid.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/orphans.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/otl.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/pagecount.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/pagestats.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/passwordauth.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/poll.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/polygen.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/rawhtml.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/rst.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/search.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/shortcut.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/sidebar.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/skeleton.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/smiley.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/tag.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/template.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/textile.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/toc.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/toggle.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/typography.pm ../IkiWiki/Plugin/wikitext.pm ../IkiWiki/Rcs/Stub.pm ../IkiWiki/Rcs/git.pm ../IkiWiki/Rcs/mercurial.pm ../IkiWiki/Rcs/svn.pm ../IkiWiki/Rcs/tla.pm ../IkiWiki/Render.pm ../IkiWiki/Setup.pm ../IkiWiki/Setup/Standard.pm ../IkiWiki/UserInfo.pm ../IkiWiki/Wrapper.pm ../ikiwiki.in ../IkiWiki.pm -o ikiwiki.pot -Lperl --add-comments=translators ../IkiWiki/Wrapper.pm:64: invalid variable interpolation at "$" +>> make[1]: *** [ikiwiki.pot] Error 1 +>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/www/ikiwiki/po' +>> make: *** [extra_build] Error 2 +>> +>> harleypig ikiwiki # xgettext --version +>> +>> xgettext (GNU gettext-tools) 0.15 +>> +>> harleypig ikiwiki # perl -v +>> +>> This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i686-linux +>> +>> Sorry about the po/t report ... it was the test file I used to figure out what was wrong and I forgot to remove it. This is against the subversion repository, version 2338. +>> The referenced line has a $! variable, which the documentation for gettext indicates is the problem. + I have just installed ikiwiki and it works - at least I have the example index.mdwn page compiled and visible. However I have a few issues/problems:- @@ -85,147 +118,152 @@ easily, perl is possible (but I'm not strong in perl). ---- -# OpenID - -I just figured I'd edit something on the page with my OpenID, since you've implemented it! --*[Kyle](http://kitenet.net/~kyle/)*= +# asciidoc or txt2tags ? -> Kyle, If you like openid, I can switch your personal wiki over to use your openid. --[[Joey]] +Any plugins or support for using asciidoc or txt2tags as the wiki language and/or exporting to asciidoc or txt2tags? ----- +> No, but it should be quite easy to write such a plugin. The otl plugin +> is a good example of writing a formatting plugin that uses an external +> conversion program, like asciidoc or txt2tags. --[[Joey]] -# ACL +---- -How about adding ACL? So that you can control which users are allowed -to read, write certain pages. The moinmoin wiki has that, and it is -something, that I think is very valuable. +# LaTeX support? -> ikiwiki currently has only the most rudimentary access controls: pages -> can be locked, or unlocked and only the admin can edit locked pages. That -> could certianly be expanded on, although it's not an area that I have an -> overwhelming desire to work on myself right now. Patches appreciated and -> I'll be happy to point you in the right directions.. --[[Joey]] +Any plugins or support for exporting to LaTeX? +(If not could use asciidoc or txt2tags mentioned above to generated LaTeX.) ->> I'm really curious how you'd suggest implementing ACLs on reading a page. ->> It seems to me the only way you could do it is .htaccess DenyAll or something, ->> and then route all page views through ikiwiki.cgi. Am I missing something? ->> --[[Ethan]] +> It's already [[been_requested|todo/latex]], although perhaps not +> working the way you're thinking of. Noone is currently working on it. +> --[[Joey]] ->>> Or you could just use apache or whatever and set up the access controls ->>> there. Of course, that wouldn't integrate very well with the wiki, ->>> unless perhaps you decided to use http basic authentication and the ->>> httpauth plugin for ikiwiki that integrates with that.. --[[Joey]] +>> I did some tests with using Markdown and a customized HTML::Latex and html2latex +>> and it appears it will work for me now. (I hope to use ikiwiki for many +>> to collaborate on a printed book that will be generated at least once per day in PDF format.) +>> +>> --JeremyReed ->>>> Which would rule out openid, or other fun forms of auth. And routing all access ->>>> through the CGI sort of defeats the purpose of ikiwiki. --[[Ethan]] +>>> Have a look at [pandoc](http://code.google.com/p/pandoc/). It can make PDFs via pdflatex. --[[roktas]] ---- -Some questions about the RecentChanges function. -- Ethan +# Using with CVS? + +Any examples of using ikiwiki with cvs? -> (Moved to [[todo/recentchanges]] --[[Joey]]) +> No, although the existing svn backend could fairly esily be modified into +> a CVS backend, by someone who doesn't mind working with CVS. --[[Joey]] ---- -Also, I'd like to request another template parameter which is just -$config{url}. That way you won't have to hard-code the URL of the wiki into -the template. -- Ethan +# Show differences before saving page? -> That's already available in the BASEURL parameter. --[[Joey]] +It would be nice to be able to have a button to show "Differences" (or "Show Diff") when +editing a page. Is that an option that can be enabled? + +> It's doable, it could even be done by a [[todo/plugin]], I think. +> --[[Joey]] ---- -# Canonical feed location? +# Max submit size? + +Any setting for limiting how many kilobytes can be submitted via the "edit" form? +-- [[JeremyReed]] -Any way to use `inline` but point the feed links to a different feed on the -same site? I have news in news/*, a news archive in news.mdwn, and the -first few news items on index.mdwn, but I don't really want two separate -feeds, one with all news and one with the latest few articles; I'd rather -point the RSS feed links of both to the same feed. (Which one, the one -with all news or the one with the latest news only, I don't know yet.) +> Not currently. Worried about abuse? --[[Joey]] -> Not currently. It could be implemented, or you could just turn off the -> rss feed for the index page, and manually put in a wikilink to the news -> page and rss feed. --[[Joey]] +>> I didn't want it abused accidently or with malice. I was thinking that Perl's CGI.pm would handle this, but I don't see that. +>> I read that textarea max bytes may be 500 lines or 28000 characters or 30000 characters or 64kB. It seems like it +>> varies and I didn't test myself, because I guess it may depend on different clients and different HTTP servers. +>> This could be checked using javascript on the client side (before submitting) and by checking size on server side (before saving). --[[JeremyReed]] ->> That wouldn't use the same style for the RSS and Atom links, and it ->> wouldn't embed the feed link into `` so that browsers can automatically ->> find it. +>>> The absolute limit varies by browser. If there are web servers that +>>> also limit it, I don't know of them. --[[Joey]] ---- -# asciidoc or txt2tags ? +# Access Keys -Any plugins or support for using asciidoc or txt2tags as the wiki language and/or exporting to asciidoc or txt2tags? +Would anyone else find this a valuable addition. In oddmuse and instiki (the only other +wiki engines I am currently using, the edit, home, and submit link tags have an +accesskey attribute. I find it nice not to have to resort to the mouse for those +actions. However, it may not be something everyone appreciates. Any thoughts? +--[Mazirian](http://mazirian.com) -> No, but it should be quite easy to write such a plugin. The otl plugin -> is a good example of writing a formatting plugin that uses an external -> conversion program, like asciidoc or txt2tags. --[[Joey]] +> Maybe, although it would need to take the critisism at +> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/forms/accesskey.html into account. + +>> Thank you for that link. Given that the edit link is the first thing you tab to +>> in the current layout, I guess it isn't all that necessary. I have had a +>> a user complaint recently that Alt-e in oddmuse was overriding his access +>> to the browser menu. ---- -# LaTeX support? +# Editing the style sheet. -Any plugins or support for exporting to LaTeX? -(If not could use asciidoc or txt2tags mentioned above to generated LaTeX.) +It would be nice to be able to edit the stylesheet by means of the cgi. Or is this possible? I wasn't able to achieve it. +Ok, that's my last 2 cents for a while. --[Mazirian](http://mazirian.com) -> It's already [[been_requested|todo/latex]], although perhaps not -> working the way you're thinking of. Noone is currently working on it. -> --[[Joey]] +> I don't support editing it, but if/when ikiwiki gets file upload support, +> it'll be possible to upload a style sheet. (If .css is in the allowed +> extensions list.. no idea how safe that would be, a style sheet is +> probably a great place to put XSS attacks and evil javascript that would +> be filtered out of any regular page in ikiwiki). --[[Joey]] ->> I did some tests with using Markdown and a customized HTML::Latex and html2latex ->> and it appears it will work for me now. (I hope to use ikiwiki for many ->> to collaborate on a printed book that will be generated at least once per day in PDF format.) ->> ->> --JeremyReed +>> I hadn't thought of that at all. It's a common feature and one I've +>> relied on safely, because the wikis I am maintaining at the moment +>> are all private and restricted to trusted users. Given that the whole +>> point of ikiwiki is to be able to access and edit via the shell as +>> well as the web, I suppose the features doesn't add a lot. By the +>> way, the w3m mode is brilliant. I haven't tried it yet, but the idea +>> is great. ---- -# Using with RCS? +# RecentChanges should show path to wiki sub-pages? -Any examples of using co(1), ci(1) and other RCS related tools with ikiwiki? +The RecentChanges only shows the final file name for the recently changes file, +for example "discussion". It would be more useful to see "index/discussion" +or the path to the sub-page. I think this is handled by the htmllink() routine. -> I don't belive that RCS offers enough SCM features to be useable as a -> fullfledged backend to ikiwiki. For one thing, there's no way to have -> hook scripts run when changes are ci'd, is there? So you'd have to ci and -> then manually run ikiwiki. It should be possible to do an RCS backend -> that supports web commits with ci, and history (parsing the rcs files by -> hand?). If you're a masochist. :-) --[[Joey]] +> Went ahead and did this, IMHO the display is ok as-is. --[[Joey]] ->> It does have history using rlog(1) which is similar format to "cvs log". ->> I don't think it has any possible hooks. What would happen if I call ->> ikiwiki directly from rcs_commit? (I didn't try yet.) On that note, ->> I don't see any way for ikiwiki to generate a single file, but I guess ->> that doesn't matter as --refresh should be fast enough. ->> I made a Rcs/rcs.pm plugin from Stub. I have been testing it some. ->> ->> --JeremyReed +---- ->> I made a working rcs plugin. And I made a RCS-to-web CGI. Details ->> at [[contrib/rcs_(third-party_plugin)]] ->> --[[JeremyReed]] +# Should not create an existing page ----- +This might be a bug, but will discuss it here first. +Clicking on an old "?" or going to a create link but new Markdown content exists, should not go into "create" mode, but should do a regular "edit". -# Using with CVS? +> I belive that currently it does a redirect to the new static web page. +> At least that's the intent of the code. --[[Joey]] -Any examples of using ikiwiki with cvs? +>> Try at your site: `?page=discussion&from=index&do=create` +>> It brings up an empty textarea to start a new webpage -- even though it already exists here. --reed -> No, although the existing svn backend could fairly esily be modified into -> a CVS backend, by someone who doesn't mind working with CVS. --[[Joey]] +>>> Ah, right. Notice that the resulting form allows saving the page as +>>> discussion, or users/discussion, but not index/discussion, since this +>>> page already exists. If all the pages existed, it would do the redirect +>>> thing. --[[Joey]] ---- -# Show differences before saving page? +# Refreshing RecentChanges page -It would be nice to be able to have a button to show "Differences" (or "Show Diff") when -editing a page. Is that an option that can be enabled? +What do you think about refreshing RecentChanges page (via Meta Refresh Tag)? +It can be useful for users like me which rather prefer watching the last changes +in WWW browser tab than subscribing to page. --Pawel -> It's doable, it could even be done by a [[todo/plugin]], I think. +> Depends, if it were done the time period should be made configurable. +> Unwanted server load due to refeshing could be a problem for some. > --[[Joey]] ----- - -# Max submit size? +>> Yes, it should be configurable by ikiwiki admin. I believe he's not +>> stupid and he will not set too short refresh period to kill his server :) +>> I propose to add `recentchanges_refresh` variable in ikiwiki setup +>> to setting refresh period. If it's not defined, then ikiwiki doesn't put +>> refresh meta tag into `recentchanges.tmpl`. Do you like it? ;) --Pawel -Any setting for limiting how many kilobytes can be submitted via the "edit" form? --- [[JeremyReed]] \ No newline at end of file +>>> Seems reasonable --[[Joey]]