X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/969ce8c5f889f8f2696c3ed4995f021b2a6539e1..5e5f60278250330a29e4bbc9b5bf91cc8e7eddf8:/doc/plugins/contrib/album/discussion.mdwn
diff --git a/doc/plugins/contrib/album/discussion.mdwn b/doc/plugins/contrib/album/discussion.mdwn
index 50d6c8ddd..dad781808 100644
--- a/doc/plugins/contrib/album/discussion.mdwn
+++ b/doc/plugins/contrib/album/discussion.mdwn
@@ -46,6 +46,10 @@ secondly: barring the CGI interface for editing the album, which would be great,
>
> --[[smcv]]
+>> In the current version of the branch, the viewer pages are
+>> generated automatically if you didn't generate them yourself,
+>> so `ikiwiki-album` is no longer needed. --[[smcv]]
+
i'm new to ikiwiki, apologies if this is dealt with elsewhere. -brush
> This plugin is pretty ambitious, and is unfinished, so I'd recommend
@@ -69,7 +73,20 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
> on the implementation). I agree that this is ugly, though. -s
>> Would you accept a version where the albumimage "viewer" pages
->> could be 0 bytes long, at least until metadata gets added? -s
+>> could be 0 bytes long, at least until metadata gets added?
+>>
+>> The more I think about the "binaries as first-class pages" approach,
+>> the more subtle interactions I notice with other plugins. I
+>> think I'm up to needing changes to editpage, comments, attachment
+>> and recentchanges, plus adjustments to img and Render (to reduce
+>> duplication when thumbnailing an image with a strange extension
+>> while simultaneously changing the extension, and to hardlink/copy
+>> an image with a strange extension to a differing target filename
+>> with the normal extension, respectively). -s
+
+>>> Now that we have `add_autofile` I can just create viewer pages
+>>> whenever there's an image to view. The current version of the
+>>> branch does that. -s
* With each viewer page having next/prev links, I can see how you
were having the scalability issues with ikiwiki's data structures
@@ -85,6 +102,8 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
>> (Unless you use img to make the thumbnails for those links, then it
>> would rebuild the thumbnails anyway. Have not looked at the code.) --[[Joey]]
+>>> I do use img. -s
+
* And doesn't each viewer page really depend on every other page in the
same albumsection? If a new page is added, the next/prev links
may need to be updated, for example. If so, there will be much
@@ -133,13 +152,20 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
> one album: if they're subpages of 2+ nested albums then they're only
> considered to be in the deepest-nested one (i.e. longest URL), and if
> they're not in any album then that's a usage error. This would
-> also make prev/next links sane.
->
+> also make prev/next links sane. -s
+
+>> The current version constrains images to be in at most one album,
+>> choosing one arbitrarily (dependent on scan order) if albums are
+>> nested. -s
+
> If you want to reference images from elsewhere in the wiki and display
> them as if in an album, then you can use an ordinary inline with
> the same template that the album would use, and I'll make sure the
-> templates are set up so this works.
->
+> templates are set up so this works. -s
+
+>> Still needs documenting, I've put it on the TODO list on the main
+>> page. -s
+
> (Implementation detail: this means that an image X/Y/Z/W/V, where X and
> Y are albums, Z does not exist and W exists but is not an album,
> would have a content dependency on Y, a presence dependency on Z
@@ -149,6 +175,12 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
> subpages of the album, although that would mean breaking some URLs
> on the existing website I'm doing all this work for... -s
+>> The current version of the branch doesn't have this restriction;
+>> perhaps it's a worthwhile simplification, or perhaps it's too
+>> restrictive? I fairly often use directory hierarchies like
+>> `a_festival/saturday/foo.jpg` within an album, which makes
+>> it very easy to write `albumsection` filters. -s
+
* Putting a few of the above thoughts together, my ideal album system
seems to be one where I can just drop the images into a directory and
have them appear in the album index, as well as each generate their own wiki
@@ -186,6 +218,10 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
>> upload-and-rename.
>> -s
+>>> I believe the current branch meets your requirements, by having
+>>> first-class wiki pages spring into existence using `add_autofile`
+>>> to be viewer pages for photos. -s
+
> In a way, what you really want for metadata is to have it in the album
> page, so you can batch-edit the whole lot by editing one file (this
> does mean that editing the album necessarily causes each of its viewers
@@ -205,6 +241,9 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
>> (That's apparently good enough for Bugzilla, but not really
>> for ikiwiki). -s
+>>> This is now in the main page's TODO list; if/when I implement this,
+>>> I intend to make it a specialized CGI interface. -s
+
>> Yes, [all metadata in one file] would make some sense.. It also allows putting one image in
>> two albums, with different caption etc. (Maybe for different audiences.)
>> --[[Joey]]
@@ -220,7 +259,8 @@ code or tried it yet, but here goes. --[[Joey]]
----
-Trying to use the "special extension" design:
+'''I think the "special extension" design is a dead-end, but here's what
+happened when I tried to work out how it would work. --[[smcv]]'''
Suppose that each viewer is a JPEG-or-GIF-or-something, with extension
".albumimage". We have a gallery "memes" with three images, badger,
@@ -350,6 +390,10 @@ underlay, so that photos don't have to be in your source-code control
> Replying to myself: perhaps best done as an orthogonal extension
> to attach? -s
+> Yet another non-obvious thing this design would need to do is to find
+> some way to have each change to memes/badger._albummeta show up as a
+> change to memes/badger in `recentchanges`. -s
+
Things that would be nice, and are probably possible:
* make the "Edit page" link on viewers divert to album-specific CGI instead
@@ -358,3 +402,77 @@ Things that would be nice, and are probably possible:
* some way to deep-link to memes/badger.jpg with a wikilink, without knowing a
priori that it's secretly a JPEG (probably harder than it looks - you'd
have to make a directive for it and it's probably not worth it)
+
+----
+
+Hi smcv, great plugin. I am an ikiwiki newbie but so far I've had success using your plugin.
+I've integrated the jquery masonry plugin into the albumitem template and it works great.
+But is there a way to create thumnails of different sizes? I've passed thumnailsize option
+and value to album directive and while it does create the new thumbnail sizes it doesn't use them,
+The 96x96 thumbnails still appear on the page no matter what I do. - jaime
+
+----
+
+Hi, the plugin looks great, but I am probably too dumb to use it ;( here is what I did:
+created page gal.mdwn with just \[\[!album\]\] directive (no arguments) and subdirectory gal/ with images in form img_1234.jpg
+
+when I run ikiwiki, I get something completely wrong though:
+
+generated gal/index.html page contains following code repeated for every image:
+
+
+
+So no links to any images, etc.
+
+The pages for individual images are generated though, but also not correct. Trails section is perfect, but the main part is wrong:
+
+
+
+This really seems like this should be in the album page and not individul page. It is only thumbnail and not full image. Also the full image is not in the generated html tree at all!
+
+I am using ikiwiki 3.20130518, and got the album sources from the links of [this page](http://ikiwiki.info/plugins/contrib/album/) (part manual installation)
+
+Any hint about what do I do wrong?
+
+Thanks Lukas
+
+> This plugin is not really finished. I probably need to update it for
+> current ikiwiki. I'll try to update it (and also update my demo
+> and installation instructions) at some point. --[[smcv]]
+
+>> I have to appologize, I accidentally copied the template wrongly and that caused all the issues ;(
+>> So now after two days debugging and tracing, I just fixed that and it works. Well, at least a learnt
+>> a lot about ikiwiki internal ;-)
+>> Thanks for all the work you did on the plugin! --Lukas
+
+----
+Hi smcv, we spoke on irc the other day. Passed `show => "0"` on line 126 in album.pm to remove the limit on the thumbnails shown on the album page. Setting it on the album directive didn't work. As mentioned above by Jaime setting the thumbnailsize doesn't catch either. Or rather if I git push after changing the album directive the generated thumbnails (the image files) are the correct size as set in the directive. The html however uses the default thumbnailsize as hardcoded in album.pm and has broken thumbnails as it links to a file with the default size in the filename.
+
+Issuing `ikiwiki --rebuild` knocks the system into another gear where the thumbnails show up correctly but this is only due to the html being the same as above (linking to hardcoded thumbnailsize) but the generated thumbnail images are now matching the hardcoded size ignoring the thumbnailsize attribute on the album directive.
+
+For me this behaviour is way beyond my skills to sort out (I'm no coder). The albumplugin ikiwiki combo is very attractive to me and the plugin i soo close to working!
+
+I've changed the behavior of the "slideshow" to show the next image when clicking the large image as downloading a full resolution image is a rare use case in a gallery of this type imho. The large clicktarget means you are likely to unnecessarily download large files otherwise. I can't quite follow the template, album.pm flow so I can't figure out how to put a "download full resolution" link on the viewer page which would be my next step. To achieve the next link i added ` link => ($nextpage or $album),` around line 454 in `my $img`
+
+My wishlist for the plugin would include:
+
+- Reading exif info from the imagefile
+- Keeping the full resolution image files out of version control
+- Being able to create new albums by tag or bym anually picking images from other albums. Could be a simple comma separated list of viewer names, or even full urls, in the album directive.
+
+--kjs
+
+----
+
+