X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/65fce725b54b44e7a05b5cbc207d22f226fe5b47..378c2696d958cc4d51b79dca786c077374bba55a:/doc/index/discussion.mdwn?ds=inline diff --git a/doc/index/discussion.mdwn b/doc/index/discussion.mdwn index ae7b5856a..dedcdffa2 100644 --- a/doc/index/discussion.mdwn +++ b/doc/index/discussion.mdwn @@ -18,6 +18,229 @@ Ikiwiki creates a .ikiwiki directory in my wikiwc working directory. Should I Is there an easy way to log via e-mail to some webmaster address, instead of via syslog? + +> Not sure why you'd want to do that, but couldn't you use a tool like +> logwatch to mail selected lines from the syslog? --[[Joey]] + +> > The reason is that I'm not logged in on the web server regularly to +> > check the log files. I'll see whether I can install a logwatch instance. + +I'm trying to install from scratch on a CentOS 4.6 system. I installed perl 5.8.8 from source and then added all the required modules via CPAN. When I build ikiwiki from the tarball, I get this message: + + rendering todo/calendar_--_archive_browsing_via_a_calendar_frontend.mdwn + *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0922e478 *** + make: *** [extra_build] Aborted + +I'm kind of at a loss how to track this down or work around it. Any suggestions? --Monty + +> All I can tell you is that it looks like a problem with your C library or +> perl. Little perl programs like ikiwiki should only be able to trigger +> such bugs, not contain them. :-) Sorry I can't be of more help. +> --[[Joey]] + +> I had a similar problem after upgrading to the latest version of +> Text::Markdown from CPAN. You might try either looking for a Markdown +> package for CentOS or using the latest version of John Gruber's +> Markdown.pl: +> +> --[[JasonBlevins]], April 1, 2008 18:22 EDT + +>> Unfortunately I couldn't find a CentOS package for markdown, and I +>> couldn't quite figure out how to use John Gruber's version instead. +>> I tried copying it to site_perl, etc., but the build doesn't pick +>> it up. For now I can just play with it on my Ubuntu laptop for which +>> the debian package installed flawlessly. I'll probably wait for an +>> updated version of Markdown to see if this is fixed in the future. +>> --Monty + +---- + +# Installation of selected docs (html) + +The latest release has around 560 files (over 2MB) in html. + +Any suggestions or ideas on limiting what html is installed? + +For example, I don't see value in every ikiwiki install out there to also install personal "users" ikiwiki pages. + +For now I copy ikiwiki.setup. And then use pax with -L switch to copy the targets of the symlinks of the basewiki. + +I was thinking of making a list of desired documents from the html directory to install. + +--JeremyReed + +> You don't need any of them, unless you want to read ikiwiki's docs locally. +> +> I don't understand why you're installing the basewiki files manually; +> ikiwiki has a Makefile that will do this for you. --[[Joey]] + +>> The Makefile's install doesn't do what I want so I use different installer for it. +>> It assumes wrong location for man pages for me. (And it should consider using INSTALLVENDORMAN1DIR and +>> MAN1EXT but I don't know about section 8 since I don't know of perl value for that.) +>> I don't want w3m cgi installed; it is optional for my package. +>> I will just patch for that instead of using my own installer. +>> Note: I am working on the pkgsrc package build specification for this. This is for creating +>> packages for NetBSD, DragonFly and other systems that use pkgsrc package system. +>> --JeremyReed + +# Installation as non-root user + +I'd like to install ikiwiki as a non-root user. I can plow through getting all the +perl dependencies installed because that's well documented in the perl world, +but I don't know how to tell ikiwiki to install somewhere other than / --BrianWilson + +> Checkout the tips section for [SharedHosting](tips/SharedHosting). It should do the trick. --MattReynolds + +---- + +# Upgrade steps + +I upgrades from 1.40 to 2.6.1. I ran "ikiwiki --setup" using my existing ikiwiki.setup configuration. +I had many errors like: + + /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/wikilink/index.html independently created, not overwriting with version from wikilink + BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 5) line 129. + +and: + + failed renaming /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/smileys.ikiwiki-new to /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/smileys: Is a directory + BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 5) line 129. + +Probably about six errors like this. I worked around this by removing the files and directories it complained about. +Finally it finished. + +> As of version 2.0, ikiwiki enables usedirs by default. See +> [[tips/switching_to_usedirs]] for details. --[[Joey]] + +>> I read the config wrong. I was thinking that it showed the defaults even though commented out +>> (like ssh configs do). I fixed that part. --JeremyReed + +My next problem was that ikiwiki start letting me edit without any password authentication. It used to prompt +me for a password but now just goes right into the "editing" mode. +The release notes for 2.0 say password auth is still on by default. + +> It sounds like you have the anonok plugin enabled? + +>> Where is the default documented? My config doesn't have it uncommented. + +The third problem is that when editing my textbox is empty -- no content. + +This is using my custom rcs.pm which has been used thousands of times. + +> Have you rebuilt the cgi wrapper since you upgraded ikiwiki? AFAIK I +> fixed a bug that could result in the edit box always being empty back in +> version 2.3. The only other way it could happen is if ikiwiki does not +> have saved state about the page that it's editing (in .ikiwiki/index). + +>> Rebuilt it several times. Now that I think of it, I think my early problem of having +>> no content in the textbox was before I rebuilt the cgi. And after I rebuilt the whole webpage was empty. + +Now I regenerated my ikiwiki.cgi again (no change to my configuration, +and I just get an empty HTML page when attempting editing or "create". + +> If the page is completly empty then ikiwiki is crashing before it can +> output anything, though this seems unlikely. Check the webserver logs. + +Now I see it created directories for my data. I fixed that by setting +usedirs (I see that is in the release notes for 2.0) and rerunning ikiwiki --setup +but I still have empty pages for editing (no textbox no html at all). + +> Is IkiWiki crashing? If so, it would probably leave error text in the apache logs. --[[TaylorKillian]] + +>> Not using apache. Nothing useful in logs other thn the HTTP return codes are "0" and bytes is "-" +>> on the empty ikiwiki.cgi output (should say " 200 " followed by bytes). + +>>> You need to either figure out what your web server does with stderr +>>> from cgi programs, or run ikiwiki.cgi at the command line with an +>>> appropriate environment so it thinks it's being called from a web +>>> server, so you can see how it's failing. --[[Joey]] + +(I am posting this now, but will do some research and post some more.) + +Is there any webpage with upgrade steps? + +> Users are expected to read [[news]], which points out any incompatible +> changes or cases where manual action is needed. + +>> I read it but read the usedirs option wrong :(. +>> Also it appears to be missing the news from between 1.40 to 2.0 unless they dont' exist. +>> If they do exist maybe they have release notes I need? + +>>> All the old ones are in the NEWS file. --[[Joey]] + +--JeremyReed + +My followup: I used a new ikiwiki.setup based on the latest version. But no changes for me. + +Also I forgot to mention that do=recentchanges works good for me. It uses my +rcs_recentchanges in my rcs perl module. + +The do=prefs does nothing though -- just a blank webpage. + +> You need to figure out why ikiwiki is crashing. The webserver logs should +> tell you. + +I also set verbose => 1 and running ikiwiki --setup was verbose, but no changes in running CGI. +I was hoping for some output. + +I am guessing that my rcs perl module stopped working on the upgrade. I didn't notice any release notes +on changes to revision control modules. Has something changed? I will also look. + +> No, the rcs interface has not needed to change in a long time. Also, +> nothing is done with the rcs for do=prefs. + +>> Thanks. I also checked differences between 1.40 Rcs plugins and didn't notice anything significant. + +--JeremyReed + +Another Followup: I created a new ikiwiki configuration and did the --setup to +create an entirely different website. I have same problem there. No prompt for password +and empty webpage when using the cgi. +I never upgraded any perl modules so maybe a new perl module is required but I don't see any errors so I don't know. + +The only errors I see when building and installing ikiwiki are: + + Can't exec "otl2html": No such file or directory at IkiWiki/Plugin/otl.pm line 66. + + gettext 0.14 too old, not updating the pot file + +I don't use GNU gettext on here. + +I may need to revert back to my old ikiwiki install which has been used to thousands of times (with around +1000 rcs commits via ikiwiki). + +--JeremyReed + +I downgraded to version 1.40 (that was what I had before I wrote wrong above). +Now ikiwiki is working for me again (but using 1.40). I shouldn't have tested on production system :) + +--JeremyReed + +I am back. On a different system, I installed ikiwiki 2.6.1. Same problem -- blank CGI webpage. + +So I manually ran with: + + REQUEST_METHOD=GET QUERY_STRING='do=create&page=jcr' kiwiki.cgi + +And clearly saw the error: + + [IkiWiki::main] Fatal: Bad template engine CGI::FormBuilder::Template::div: Can't locate CGI/FormBuilder/Template/div.pm + +So I found my version was too old and 3.05 is the first to provide "Div" support. I upgraded my p5-CGI-FormBuilder to 3.0501. +And ikiwiki CGI started working for me. + +The Ikiwiki docs about this requirement got removed in Revision 4367. There should be a page that lists the requirements. +(I guess I could have used the debian/control file.) + +> There is a page, [[install]] documents that 3.05 is needed. + +>> Sorry, I missed that. With hundreds of wikipages it is hard to read all of them. +>> I am updating the download page now to link to it. + +I am now using ikiwiki 2.6.1 on my testing system. + +--JeremyReed + ---- # Excellent - how do I translate a TWiki site? @@ -47,6 +270,17 @@ easily, perl is possible (but I'm not strong in perl). >> Thanks for an excellent Xmas present, I will appreciate the additional >> users this will help switch to ikiwiki! --[[Joey]] + +>> Sounds great indeed. Learning from [here](http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/AboutTheTWikiToIkiwikiConversion/) that HTML::WikiConverter needed for your conversion was not up-to-date on Debian I have now done an unofficial package, including your proposed Markdown patches, apt-get'able at 
deb http://debian.jones.dk/ sid wikitools
+>> -- [[JonasSmedegaard]] + + +>>I see the "We will post the scripts ...." was committed about a year ago. A current site search for "Moin" does not turn them up. Any chance of an appearance in the near (end of year) future? +>> +>> -- [[MichaelRasmussen]] + +>>> It appears the scripts were never posted? I recently imported my Mediawiki site into Iki. If it helps, my notes are here: --[[sabr]] + ---- # LaTeX support? @@ -76,24 +310,6 @@ Any setting for limiting how many kilobytes can be submitted via the "edit" form ---- -# Access Keys - -Would anyone else find this a valuable addition. In oddmuse and instiki (the only other -wiki engines I am currently using, the edit, home, and submit link tags have an -accesskey attribute. I find it nice not to have to resort to the mouse for those -actions. However, it may not be something everyone appreciates. Any thoughts? ---[Mazirian](http://mazirian.com) - -> Maybe, although it would need to take the critisism at -> into account. - ->> Thank you for that link. Given that the edit link is the first thing you tab to ->> in the current layout, I guess it isn't all that necessary. I have had a ->> a user complaint recently that Alt-e in oddmuse was overriding his access ->> to the browser menu. - ----- - # Editing the style sheet. It would be nice to be able to edit the stylesheet by means of the cgi. Or is this possible? I wasn't able to achieve it. @@ -133,26 +349,81 @@ Clicking on an old "?" or going to a create link but new Markdown content exists ---- -# User database tools? +# Spaces in WikiLinks? + +Hello Joey, -Any tool to view user database? +I've just switched from ikiwiki 2.0 to ikiwiki 2.2 and I'm really surprised +that I can't use the spaces in WikiLinks. Could you please tell me why the spaces +aren't allowed in WikiLinks now? -Any tool to edit the user database? +My best regards, -> No, but it's fairly easy to write such tools in perl. For example, to -> list all users in the user database: +--[[PaweB|ptecza]] - joey@kodama:~/src/joeywiki/.ikiwiki>perl -le 'use Storable; my $userinfo=Storable::retrieve("userdb"); print $_ foreach keys %$userinfo' - http://joey.kitenet.net/ - foo +> See [[bugs/Spaces_in_link_text_for_ikiwiki_links]] -> To list each user's email address: +---- - joey@kodama:~/src/joeywiki/.ikiwiki>perl -le 'use Storable; my $userinfo=Storable::retrieve("userdb"); print $userinfo->{$_}->{email} foreach keys %$userinfo' - - joey@kitenet.net +# Build in OpenSolaris? -> Editing is simply a matter of changing values and calling Storable::store(). -> I've not written actual utilities to do this yet because I've only needed -> to do it rarely, and the data I've wanted has been different each time. -> --[[Joey]] +Moved to [[bugs/build_in_opensolaris]] --[[Joey]] + +---- + +# Various ways to use Subversion with ikiwiki + +I'm playing around with various ways that I can use subversion with ikiwiki. + +* Is it possible to have ikiwiki point to a subversion repository which is on a different server? The basic checkin/checkout functionality seems to work but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the post-commit hook work for a non-local server? + +> This is difficult to do since ikiwiki's post-commit wrapper expects to +> run on a machine that contains both the svn repository and the .ikiwiki +> state directory. However, with recent versions of ikiwiki, you can get +> away without running the post-commit wrapper on commit, and all you lose +> is the ability to send commit notification emails. + +> (And now that [[recentchanges]] includes rss, you can just subscribe to +> that, no need to worry about commit notification emails anymore.) + +* Is it possible / sensible to have ikiwiki share a subversion repository with other data (either completely unrelated files or another ikiwiki instance)? This works in part but again the post-commit hook seems problematic. + +--[[AdamShand]] + +> Sure, see ikiwiki's subversion repository for example of non-wiki files +> in the same repo. If you have two wikis in one repository, you will need +> to write a post-commit script that calls the post-commit wrappers for each +> wiki. + +---- + +# Regex for Valid Characters in Filenames + +I'm sure that this is documented somewhere but I've ransacked the wiki and I can't find it. :-( What are the allowed characters in an ikiwiki page name? I'm writing a simple script to make updating my blog easier and need to filter invalid characters (so far I've found that # and , aren't allowed ;-)). Thanks for any pointers. -- [[AdamShand]] + +> The default `wiki_file_regexp` matches filenames containing only +> `[-[:alnum:]_.:/+]` +> +> The IkiWiki::titlepage() function will convert freeform text to a valid +> page name. See [[todo/should_use_a_standard_encoding_for_utf_chars_in_filenames]] +> for an example. --[[Joey]] + +>> Perfect, thanks! +>> +>> In the end I decided that I didn't need any special characters in filenames and replaced everything but alphanumeric characters with underscores. In addition to replacing bad characters I also collapse multiple underscores into a single one, and strip off trailing and leading underscores to make tidy filenames. If it's useful to anybody else here's a sed example: +>> +>> # echo "++ Bad: ~@#$%^&*()_=}{[];,? Iki: +_-:./ Num: 65.5 ++" | sed -e 's/[^A-Za-z0-9_]/_/g' -e 's/__*/_/g' -e 's/^_//g' -e 's/_$//g' +>> Bad_Iki_Num_65_5 +>> +>>--[[AdamShand]] + +# Upgrade steps from RecentChanges CGI to static page? + +Where are the upgrade steps for RecentChanges change from CGI to static feed? +I run multiple ikiwiki-powered sites on multiple servers, but today I just upgraded one to 2.32.3. +Please have a look at + +Any suggestions? + +> There are no upgrade steps required. It does look like you need to enable +> the meta plugin to get a good recentchanges page though.. --[[Joey]]