X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/5fe490c7d7ead8a3c0cf06eeb4363f26ce4874c2..b63f1260eef70cf7eb1703ebae1244db7cef0583:/doc/news/openid/discussion.mdwn diff --git a/doc/news/openid/discussion.mdwn b/doc/news/openid/discussion.mdwn index dee7d4bc4..e1a7ef075 100644 --- a/doc/news/openid/discussion.mdwn +++ b/doc/news/openid/discussion.mdwn @@ -15,6 +15,8 @@ as well. Also have I just created an account on this wiki as well? > can configure it to eg, subscribe your email address to changes to pages. > --[[Joey]] +OK, my openid login works too. One question though, is there a setup parameter which controls whether new registrations are permitted at all? For instance, I'm thinking that I'd like to use the wiki format for content, but I don't want it editable by anyone who isn't already set up. Does this work? --[[Tim Lavoie]] + ---- # How to ban an IP address? @@ -25,7 +27,7 @@ only Apache/iptables rules for this? Maybe it's related to [[ACL|todo/ACL]] request? --[[Paweł|ptecza]] > Well, the polls are not something I would worry about much. I do plan to -> [[add_IP_range_banning|todo/spam_fighting]], although I expect to wait until +> add_IP_range_banning, although I expect to wait until > there's a demonstrated need. --[[Joey]] >> Heh, do you really want a lot of spam of me? ;) @@ -35,3 +37,92 @@ only Apache/iptables rules for this? Maybe it's related to >> Qatar Wikipedia pages and the admins of Wikipedia had to ban all >> IP addresses of that country (fortunately Qatar has only one ISP). >> --[[Paweł|ptecza]] + +---- + +## Error voting + +> Error: /srv/web/ikiwiki.info/todo/Configurable_minimum_length_of_log_message_for_web_edits/index.html independently created, not overwriting with version from todo/Configurable_minimum_length_of_log_message_for_web_edits + +[[users/jon]] + +---- + +### Logging Out + +If I've logged in by OpenID, how do I log out? I don't see any logout +button anywhere on IkiWiki. (is it because I hit "forever" for my OpenID authorization duration?) +> No, it's because it's on the preferences page! That's somewhat non-obvious... + +>> This is a problem with having a static wiki. If I just put "Logout" as +>> an action on every page, that will look weird if you're not logged in. +>> --[[Joey]] + +Even if IkiWiki does let me log out, how do I *stay* logged out? Let's say I'm using a kiosk. What's to prevent someone else from hitting my OpenID service right after I've walked away? My OpenID service will just auth the login again, won't it? --[[sabr]] (behavior seems to vary... does it depend on the OpenID service? guess I have some docs to read.) + +> If you're at a kiosk, you'll need to log out of your openid provider too. +> Or use a provider that doesn't use cookies to keep you logged in. (Or +> don't check the box that makes your provider set a cookie when you log in.) +> +> AFAIK openid doesn't have single signoff capabilities yet. --[[Joey]] + +I'm having a problem using my preferred openid. I have +http://thewordnerd.info configured as a delegate to +thewordnerd.myopenid.com. It works fine on Lighthouse, Slicehost and +everywhere else I've used it. Here, though, if I use the delegate I'm sent +to my openid identity URL on myopenid.com. If I use the identity URL +directly, I get the verification page. + +Is my delegation broken in some way that works for all these other apps but +which fails here? Or is something broken in Ikiwiki's implementation? + +> I guess this is the same issue filed by you at +> [[bugs/OpenID_delegation_fails_on_my_server]] --[[Joey]] + +Yes. I'd only recently set up my server as a delegate under wordpress, so still thought that perhaps the issue was on my end. But I'd since used my delegate successfully elsewhere, so I filed it as a bug against ikiwiki. + +---- +###Pretty Painless +I just tried logging it with OpenID and it Just Worked. Pretty painless. If you want to turn off password authentication on ikiwiki.info, I say go for it. --[[blipvert]] + +> I doubt I will. The new login interface basically makes password login +> and openid cooexist nicely. --[[Joey]] + +###LiveJournal openid +One caveat to the above is that, of course, OpenID is a distributed trust system which means you do have to think about the trust aspect. A case in point is livejournal.com whose OpenID implementation is badly broken in one important respect: If a LiveJournal user deletes his or her journal, and a different user registers a journal with the same name (this is actually quite a common occurrence on LiveJournal), they in effect inherit the previous journal owner's identity. LiveJournal does not even have a mechanism in place for a remote site even to detect that a journal has changed hands. It is an extremely dodgy situation which they seem to have *no* intention of fixing, and the bottom line is that the "identity" represented by a *username*.livejournal.com token should not be trusted as to its long-term uniqueness. Just FYI. --[[blipvert]] + +---- + +Submitting bugs in the OpenID components will be difficult if OpenID must be working first... + +------ + +# Privacy and Decentralization + +Maybe I don't understand OpenID well enough, but it looks like there are just few providers, most +of which are huge companies or belong to such, and I don't trust them to verify me identity +or to not track all my logins. I'll use OpenID only if I can make my own home server +be my OpenID provider, and if doing so doesn't interfere with the design and security and +privacy of OpenID, and doesn't require me to use centrally-signed certificates or pay to some +company or anything like that. + +Is it possible to use OpenID in a way keeping the user in full control and allowing any user to +have their personal provider without damaging the architecture behind OpenID? + +I'm worried, at least until the issue is cleared. + +-- [[fr33domlover]] + +> You can install an OpenID provider on your own server and use that if you +> wish. I believe you will need an SSL certificate that `ikiwiki.info` trusts. +> -- [[Jon]] + +---- + +This poll is now 8 years old. Do we have enough data to make a decision? +Can we consider adding `open=no` to the poll? -- [[Jon]] + +---- + +I vote against disabling password logins until my OpenID will work on [ikiwiki.info](/)! +See [[/plugins/openid/troubleshooting]]. -- Chap