X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/5559701767f1b085cb6695accea6e6d3f4b14e84..3a04e96389def78bcb873a4487b85f4d75653199:/doc/todo/feed_enhancements_for_inline_pages.mdwn diff --git a/doc/todo/feed_enhancements_for_inline_pages.mdwn b/doc/todo/feed_enhancements_for_inline_pages.mdwn index c3405313c..f13213dc2 100644 --- a/doc/todo/feed_enhancements_for_inline_pages.mdwn +++ b/doc/todo/feed_enhancements_for_inline_pages.mdwn @@ -1,138 +1,132 @@ -[[!template id=gitbranch branch=GiuseppeBilotta/inlinestuff author="Giuseppe Bilotta"]] - -A few patches to clean up and improve feed management for inline pages. - -(I moved the picked/scratched stuff at the bottom.) - -* the second patch tries to define the default description for a feed based not only on the wiki name, - but also on the current page name. The actual way this is built might not be the optimal one, - so I'm open to suggestions - - > I don't really like using "wikiname/page" as the name of the feed. It's - > a bit too mechanical. I'd be ok with using just the page name, - > with a fallback to wikiname for the toplevel index. Or maybe - > something like "$wikiname's $page". - > - > Also, shouldn't `pagetitle` be run on the page name? (Haven't checked.) - > --[[Joey]] - - >> The rewritten patch now sets the feed title using the page title, and the feed description - >> using the page _description_, both obtained from meta if possible. If there is no page - >> description, then we use the page title combined with the wiki name. I introduce a new - >> configuration key to customize the actual automatic description. - - >>> The feed title part of this seems unnecessary. As far as I can see, - >>> ikiwiki already uses the page title as the feed title; TITLE in the - >>> rsspage.tmpl is handled the same as TITLE in page.tmpl. --[[Joey]] - - >>>> I'm afraid this is not the case in the ikiwiki I have. It might be the effect of some kind of interaction of - >>>> this with the next patch, but apparently I need both to ensure that the proper title is being used (see also - >>>> below for further details). - -* the (new) third patch passes uses the included rather than the including page for the URL. This is - actually a forgotten piece from my previous patch (now upstream) to base the feed name on the - included rather than the including page, and it's only relevant for nested inline pages. - - > I have a vague memory of considering doing this before, and not, - > because there is actually no guarantee that the inlined page (that - > itself contains an inline) will generate an url. It could be excluded; - > it could be an internal page; it could use a conditional to omit the - > inline when not inlined. - > - > Also, I think that `destpage` gets set wrong. And I think that - > `get_inline_content` is called with the source page, rather than the - > destpage, and so could generate urls that don't work on the destpage. - > - > All in all, this is an edge case, and currently seems to work ok, so - > why change it? --[[Joey]] - - >> Because it does not work ok for me. I have a number of directories `dir1/`, `dir2/`, `dir3/` - >> each with a corresponding `dir1.mdwn`, `dir2.mdwn`, `dir3.mdwn` etc that is basically just - >> an inline instruction. Then my index.mdwn inlines `dir[123]`. Without these two patches, the - >> `dir[123]` feeds get the wrong title. - -* the (new) fourth patch introduces a `feedtitle` parameter to override the feed title. I opted for - not squashing it with the second patch to allow you to scrap this but still get the other, in case - you're not too happy about having a plethora of parameters - - > This seems clearly a good idea, since there is already a "description" - > parameter. But, by analogy with that parameter, it should just be - > called "title". --[[Joey]] - - >> I'll rework the patch to that effect. - -* a fifth patch introduces an `id` parameter to allow setting the HTML id attribute in the - blogpost/feedlinks template. Since we replace their id with a class (first patch), this brings - back the possibility for direct CSS customization and JavaScript manipulation based on id. - - > That sort of makes sense, but it somehow seems wrong that "id" should - > apply to only cruft at the top of the inline, and not the entire div - > generated for it. --[[Joey]] - - >> Good point. I'll look into a way to move the id to the `inlinepage` div, although I guess - >> that falling back to `id`ing the `feedlink` div in the feedonly case would be ok. - -* 30a4de2aa3ab29dd9397c2edd91676e80bc06feb "urlto: prevent // when {url} ends with /" - - > The `url` in the setup file should not end in a slash. Probably more - > things get ugly doubled slashes if someone does that. --[[Joey]] - - >> I was not aware of this. Did I miss it or is it just not documented? - -* 57a9b5c4affda9e855f09a64747e5225d6254079 "inline: use urlto instead of manually building the RSS url" - - > Well, that seems ok. 3 parameter urlto should give us an absolute url. - > - > But we have to be careful and verify that it will always produce - > exactly the same url as before. Changing the feed url unnecessarily - > can probably flood aggregators or something... --[[Joey]] - - >> AFAICS, the feed url would not change (unless the previous patch is also applied and the wiki url ends with a slash) - - ------ - -* the first patch simply replaces the id attribute in the default template for feedlinks with a class attribute by the same name. This is necessary in pages with multiple inlines to guarantee correctness - - > Ok, but blogform.tmpl has the same problem. And either change can need - > CSS changes. (blogform in particular is used in style.css as an id.) - > So this needs more documentation and associated work. --[[Joey]] - - >> I didn't include blogform in the change because the case of two - >> blog post forms in the same page is probably extremely rare. But - >> then again I remember doing having them in one of my ikiwiki - >> draftings, so I rewrote the patch to include blogform. I had - >> checked the distributed CSS for #feedlinks references, without - >> finding any. The new patch does include CSS changes for the - >> \#blogform -> .blogform change. I have no idea on where to document - >> this change though. - - >>> Picked. NEWSed. --[[Joey]] - - -* the (former) third patch passes the feed titles to the templates, changing the default templates to use these as title attributes for the links. a rel="alternate" attribute is also included - - > Seems reasonable. Cherry-picked. Note that the title attribute - > will be shown by browsers as a tooltip. So I made it say - > "$name (RSS feed)" - - >> Good, thanks. - -* the (former) fourth patch introduces a feedlinks parameter to the inline directive, to allow for the specifications of the locations where the feed links should appear. Currently, two options are allowed (head and body), plus both and none with obvious significance - - > Hmm. This doesn't affect the feed links in the blogform.tmpl. Anyway, - > this is not something I see a real benefit of making configurable above - > the template editing level. I don't see any point whatsoever of - > allowing to turn off the feed links in the `` -- they are not - > user-visible, and IIRC that is the recommended and most portable way - > to encode the information for feed discovery agents (rather than - > putting it in the body). And the sorry state of "modern" browsers, - > such as chromium's support for RSS means that it still makes sense to - > have user-visible feed buttons. If that changed, it would make sense to - > modify ikiwiki to globally remove them. --[[Joey]] - - >> I was actually quite surprised myself by the lack of automatic feed - >> discovery in chromium (although I noticed there's a sort-of - >> official plugin to do it). Overall, I believe your critique is - >> well-founded, I'll scratch this patch. - +[[!template id=gitbranch branch=GiuseppeBilotta/inlinestuff author="[[GiuseppeBilotta]]"]] + +I rearranged my patchset once again, to clearly identify the origin and +motivation of each patch, which is explained in the following. + +In my ikiwiki-based website I have the following situation: + +* `$config{usedirs}` is 1 +* there are a number of subdirectories (A/, B/, C/, etc) + with pages under each of them (A/page1, A/page2, B/page3, etc) +* 'index pages' for each subdirectory: A.mdwn, B.mdwn, C.mdwn; + these are rather barebone, only contain an inline directive for their + respective subpages and become A/index.html, etc +* there is also the main index.mdwn, which inlines A.mdwn, B.mdwn, C.mdwn, + etc (i.e. the top-level index files are also inlined on the homepage) + +With the upstream `inline` plugin, the feeds for A, B, C etc are located +in `A/index.atom`, `B/index.atom`, etc; their title is the wiki name and +their main link goes to the wiki homepage rather than to their +respective subdir (e.g. I would expect `A/index.atom` to have a link to +`http://website/A` but it actually points to `http://website/`). + +This is due to them being generated from the main index page, and is +fixed by the first patch: ‘inline: base feed urls on included page +name’. As explained in the commit message for the patch itself, this is +a ‘forgotten part’ from a previous page vs destpage fix which has +already been included upstream. + +> Applied. --[[Joey]] + +>> Thanks. + +The second patch, ‘inline: improve feed title and description +management’, aligns feed title and description management by introducing +a `title` option to complement `description`, and by basing the +description on the page description if the entry is missing. If no +description is provided by either the directive parameter or the page +metadata, we use a user-configurable default based on both the page +title and wiki name rather than hard-coding the wiki name as description. + +> Reviewing, this seems ok, but I don't like that +> `feed_desc_fmt` is "safe => 0". And I question if that needs +> to be configurable at all. I say, drop that configurable, and +> only use the page meta description (or wikiname for index). +> +> Oh, and could you indent your `elsif` the same as I? --[[Joey]] + +>> I hadn't even realized that I was nesting ifs inside else clauses, +>> sorry. I think you're also right about the safety of the key, after +>> all it only gets interpolated with known, safe strings. + +>>> I did not mean to imply that I thought it safe. --[[Joey]] + +>>>> Sorry for assuming you implied that. I do think it is safe, though +>>>> (I defaulted to not safe just to err on the safe side). + +>> The question is what to do for pages that do not have a description +>> (and are not the index). With your proposal, the Atom feed subtitle +>> would turn up empty. We could make it conditional in the default +>> template, or we could have `$desc` default to `$title` if nothing +>> else is provided, but at this point I see no reason to _not_ allow +>> the user to choose a way to build a default description. + +>>> RSS requires the `` element be present, it can't +>>> be conditionalized away. But I see no reason to add the complexity +>>> of an option to configure a default value for a field that +>>> few RSS consumers likely even use. That's about 3 levels below useful. +>>> --[[Joey]] + +>>>> The way I see it, there are three possibilities for non-index pages +>>>> which have no description meta: (1) we leave the +>>>> description/subtitle in feed blank, per your current proposal here +>>>> (2) we hard-code some string to put there and (3) we make the +>>>> string to put there configurable. Honestly, I think option #1 sucks +>>>> aesthetically and option #2 is conceptually wrong (I'm against +>>>> hard-coding stuff in general), which leaves option #3: however +>>>> rarely used it would be, I still think it'd be better than #2 and +>>>> less unaesthetical than #1. + +>>>> I'm also not sure what's ‘complex’ about having such an option: +>>>> it's definitely not going to get much use, but does it hurt to have +>>>> it? I could understand not wasting time putting it in, but since +>>>> the code is written already … (but then again I'm known for being a +>>>> guy who loves options). + +The third patch, ‘inline: allow assigning an id to postform/feedlink’, +does just that. I don't currently use it, but it can be particularly +useful in the postform case for example for scriptable management of +multiple postforms in the same page. + +> Applied. --[[Joey]] + +>> Thanks. + +In one of my wiki setups I had a terminating '/' in `$config{url}`. You +mention that it should not be present, but I have not seen this +requirement described anywhere. Rather than restricting the user input, +I propose a patch that prevents double slashes from appearing in links +created by `urlto()` by fixing the routine itself. + +> If this is fixed I would rather not put the overhead of fixing it in +> every call to `urlto`. And I'm not sure this is a comprehensive +> fix to every problem a trailing slash in the url could cause. --[[Joey]] + +>> Maybe something that sanitizes the config value would be better instead? +>> What is the policy about automatic changing user config? + +>>> It's impossible to do for perl-format setup files. --[[Joey]] + +>>>> Ok. In that case I think that we should document that it must be +>>>> slash-less. I'll cook up a patch in that sense. + +The inline plugin is also updated (in a separate patch) to use `urlto()` +rather than hand-coding the feed urls. You might want to keep this +change even if you discard the urlto patch. + +> IIRC, I was missing a proof that this always resulted in identical urls, +> which is necessary to prevent flooding. I need such a proof before I can +> apply that. --[[Joey]] + +>> Well, the URL would obviously change if the `$config{url}` ended in +>> slash and the `urlto` patch (or other equivalent) went into effect. + +>> Aside from that, if I read the code correctly, the only other extra +>> thing that `urlto` does is to `beautify_url_path` the `"/".$to` part, +>> and the only way this would cause the url to be altered is if the +>> feed name was "index" (which can easily happen) and +>> `$config{htmlext}` was set to something like `.rss` or +>> `.rss.1`. + +>> So there is a remote possibility that a different URL would be +>> produced.