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 >>>> I've just updated the second of the two patches below.  The two patches are not mutually
 >>>> exclusive, but I'm leaning towards the second as more useful (for the things I'm doing). -- [[Will]]
 
+I think it's awesome that you're writing this code to explore the problem
+space, [[Will]] -- and these plugins are good stabs at at least part of it.
+Let me respond to a few of your comments.. --[[Joey]]
+
+On use cases, one use case is a user posting a bug report with structured
+data in it. A template is one way, but then the user has to deal with the
+format used to store the structured data. This is where a edit-time form
+becomes essential.
+
+> This was the idea with the 'form' plugin.  With the 'data' plugin I was exploring
+> a different approach: try to keep the markup simple enough that the user can edit
+> the markup directly, and still have that be ok.  I admit it is a stretch, but I thought
+> it worth exploring.
+
+Another use case is, after many such bugs have been filed,
+wanting to add a new field to each bug report. To avoid needing to edit
+every bug report it would be good if the fields in a bug report were
+defined somewhere else, so that just that one place can be edited to add
+the new field, and it will show up in each bug report (and in each bug
+report's edit page, as a new form field).
+
+> If I was going to do that, I'd use a perl script on a checked out
+> workspace.  I think you're describing a rare operation and
+> so I'd be happy not having a web interface for it.  Having said that,
+> if you just wanted to change the form for *new* pages, then you
+> can just edit the template used to create new pages.
+
+Re the form plugin, I'm uncomfortable with tying things into
+[[!cpan CGI::FormBuilder]] quite so tightly as you have.
+
+> Yeah :).  But I wanted to explore the space and that was the
+> easiest way to start.
+
+CGI::FormBuilder
+could easily change in a way that broke whole wikis full of pages. Also,
+needing to sanitize FormBuilder fields with security implications is asking
+for trouble, since new FormBuilder features could add new fields, or
+add new features to existing fields (FormBuilder is very DWIM) that open
+new security holes. 
+
+> There is a list of allowed fields.  I only interpret those.
+
+I think that having a type system, that allows defining specific types,
+like "email address", by writing code (that in turn can use FormBuilder),
+is a better approach, since it should avoid becoming a security problem.
+
+> That would be possible.  I think an extension to the 'data' plugin might
+> work here.
+
+One specific security hole, BTW, is that if you allow the `validate` field,
+FormBuilder will happily treat it as a regexp, and we don't want to expose
+arbitrary perl regexps, since they can at least DOS a system, and can
+probably be used to run arbitrary perl code.
+
+> I validate the validate field :).  It only allows validate fields that match
+> `/^[\w\s]+$/`.  This means you can really only use the pre-defined
+> validation types in FormBuilder.
+
+The data plugin only deals with a fairly small corner of the problem space,
+but I think does a nice job at what it does. And could probably be useful
+in a large number of other cases.
+
+> I think the data plugin is more likely to be useful than the form plugin.
+> I was thinking of extending the data directive by allowing an 'id' parameter.
+> When you have an id parameter, then you can display a small form for that
+> data element.  The submission handler would look through the page source
+> for the data directive with the right id parameter and edit it.  This would
+> make the data directive more like the current 'form' plugin.
+
+> That is making things significantly more complex for less significant gain though. --[[Will]]
+
+> Oh, one quick other note.  The data plugin below was designed to handle multiple
+> data elements in a single directive.  e.g.
+
+    \[[!data key="Depends on" link="bugs/bugA" link="bugs/bugB" value=6]]
+
+> would match `data_eq(Depends on,6)`, `data_link(Depends on,bugs/bugA)`, `data_link(Depends on,bugs/bugB)`
+> or, if you applied the patch in [[todo/tracking_bugs_with_dependencies]] then you can use 'defined pagespecs'
+> such as `data_link(Depends on,~openBugs)`.  The ability to label links like this allows separation of
+> dependencies between bugs from arbitrary links.
+
+----
+
     #!/usr/bin/perl
     # Interpret YAML data to make a web form
     package IkiWiki::Plugin::form;