X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/27797a26671a8c492babe699758d092ef33fdb75..fd6d85aa7995d90956d1ddc95b7d7517f5ccd470:/doc/index/discussion.mdwn diff --git a/doc/index/discussion.mdwn b/doc/index/discussion.mdwn index 05b034026..772aebaf9 100644 --- a/doc/index/discussion.mdwn +++ b/doc/index/discussion.mdwn @@ -9,8 +9,201 @@ Note that for more formal bug reports or todo items, you can also edit the # Installation/Setup questions -(I've moved HarleyPig's problem to its [[own_page|bugs/xgettext_issue]] ---[[Joey]]) +Ikiwiki creates a .ikiwiki directory in my wikiwc working directory. Should I +"svn add .ikiwiki" or add it to svn:ignore? + +> `.ikiwiki` is used by ikiwiki to store internal state. You can add it to +> svn:ignore. --[[Joey]] +> > Thanks a lot. + +Is there an easy way to log via e-mail to some webmaster address, instead +of via syslog? + +> Not sure why you'd want to do that, but couldn't you use a tool like +> logwatch to mail selected lines from the syslog? --[[Joey]] + +> > The reason is that I'm not logged in on the web server regularly to +> > check the log files. I'll see whether I can install a logwatch instance. + +---- + +# Installation of selected docs (html) + +The latest release has around 560 files (over 2MB) in html. + +Any suggestions or ideas on limiting what html is installed? + +For example, I don't see value in every ikiwiki install out there to also install personal "users" ikiwiki pages. + +For now I copy ikiwiki.setup. And then use pax with -L switch to copy the targets of the symlinks of the basewiki. + +I was thinking of making a list of desired documents from the html directory to install. + +--JeremyReed + +> You don't need any of them, unless you want to read ikiwiki's docs locally. +> +> I don't understand why you're installing the basewiki files manually; +> ikiwiki has a Makefile that will do this for you. --[[Joey]] + +>> The Makefile's install doesn't do what I want so I use different installer for it. +>> It assumes wrong location for man pages for me. (And it should consider using INSTALLVENDORMAN1DIR and +>> MAN1EXT but I don't know about section 8 since I don't know of perl value for that.) +>> I don't want w3m cgi installed; it is optional for my package. +>> I will just patch for that instead of using my own installer. +>> Note: I am working on the pkgsrc package build specification for this. This is for creating +>> packages for NetBSD, DragonFly and other systems that use pkgsrc package system. +>> --JeremyReed + +---- + +# Upgrade steps + +I upgrades from 1.40 to 2.6.1. I ran "ikiwiki --setup" using my existing ikiwiki.setup configuration. +I had many errors like: + + /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/wikilink/index.html independently created, not overwriting with version from wikilink + BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 5) line 129. + +and: + + failed renaming /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/smileys.ikiwiki-new to /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/smileys: Is a directory + BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 5) line 129. + +Probably about six errors like this. I worked around this by removing the files and directories it complained about. +Finally it finished. + +> As of version 2.0, ikiwiki enables usedirs by default. See +> [[tips/switching_to_usedirs]] for details. --[[Joey]] + +>> I read the config wrong. I was thinking that it showed the defaults even though commented out +>> (like ssh configs do). I fixed that part. --JeremyReed + +My next problem was that ikiwiki start letting me edit without any password authentication. It used to prompt +me for a password but now just goes right into the "editing" mode. +The release notes for 2.0 say password auth is still on by default. + +> It sounds like you have the anonok plugin enabled? + +>> Where is the default documented? My config doesn't have it uncommented. + +The third problem is that when editing my textbox is empty -- no content. + +This is using my custom rcs.pm which has been used thousands of times. + +> Have you rebuilt the cgi wrapper since you upgraded ikiwiki? AFAIK I +> fixed a bug that could result in the edit box always being empty back in +> version 2.3. The only other way it could happen is if ikiwiki does not +> have saved state about the page that it's editing (in .ikiwiki/index). + +>> Rebuilt it several times. Now that I think of it, I think my early problem of having +>> no content in the textbox was before I rebuilt the cgi. And after I rebuilt the whole webpage was empty. + +Now I regenerated my ikiwiki.cgi again (no change to my configuration, +and I just get an empty HTML page when attempting editing or "create". + +> If the page is completly empty then ikiwiki is crashing before it can +> output anything, though this seems unlikely. Check the webserver logs. + +Now I see it created directories for my data. I fixed that by setting +usedirs (I see that is in the release notes for 2.0) and rerunning ikiwiki --setup +but I still have empty pages for editing (no textbox no html at all). + +> Is IkiWiki crashing? If so, it would probably leave error text in the apache logs. --[[TaylorKillian]] + +>> Not using apache. Nothing useful in logs other thn the HTTP return codes are "0" and bytes is "-" +>> on the empty ikiwiki.cgi output (should say " 200 " followed by bytes). + +>>> You need to either figure out what your web server does with stderr +>>> from cgi programs, or run ikiwiki.cgi at the command line with an +>>> appropriate environment so it thinks it's being called from a web +>>> server, so you can see how it's failing. --[[Joey]] + +(I am posting this now, but will do some research and post some more.) + +Is there any webpage with upgrade steps? + +> Users are expected to read [[news]], which points out any incompatible +> changes or cases where manual action is needed. + +>> I read it but read the usedirs option wrong :(. +>> Also it appears to be missing the news from between 1.40 to 2.0 unless they dont' exist. +>> If they do exist maybe they have release notes I need? + +>>> All the old ones are in the NEWS file. --[[Joey]] + +--JeremyReed + +My followup: I used a new ikiwiki.setup based on the latest version. But no changes for me. + +Also I forgot to mention that do=recentchanges works good for me. It uses my +rcs_recentchanges in my rcs perl module. + +The do=prefs does nothing though -- just a blank webpage. + +> You need to figure out why ikiwiki is crashing. The webserver logs should +> tell you. + +I also set verbose => 1 and running ikiwiki --setup was verbose, but no changes in running CGI. +I was hoping for some output. + +I am guessing that my rcs perl module stopped working on the upgrade. I didn't notice any release notes +on changes to revision control modules. Has something changed? I will also look. + +> No, the rcs interface has not needed to change in a long time. Also, +> nothing is done with the rcs for do=prefs. + +>> Thanks. I also checked differences between 1.40 Rcs plugins and didn't notice anything significant. + +--JeremyReed + +Another Followup: I created a new ikiwiki configuration and did the --setup to +create an entirely different website. I have same problem there. No prompt for password +and empty webpage when using the cgi. +I never upgraded any perl modules so maybe a new perl module is required but I don't see any errors so I don't know. + +The only errors I see when building and installing ikiwiki are: + + Can't exec "otl2html": No such file or directory at IkiWiki/Plugin/otl.pm line 66. + + gettext 0.14 too old, not updating the pot file + +I don't use GNU gettext on here. + +I may need to revert back to my old ikiwiki install which has been used to thousands of times (with around +1000 rcs commits via ikiwiki). + +--JeremyReed + +I downgraded to version 1.40 (that was what I had before I wrote wrong above). +Now ikiwiki is working for me again (but using 1.40). I shouldn't have tested on production system :) + +--JeremyReed + +I am back. On a different system, I installed ikiwiki 2.6.1. Same problem -- blank CGI webpage. + +So I manually ran with: + + REQUEST_METHOD=GET QUERY_STRING='do=create&page=jcr' kiwiki.cgi + +And clearly saw the error: + + [IkiWiki::main] Fatal: Bad template engine CGI::FormBuilder::Template::div: Can't locate CGI/FormBuilder/Template/div.pm + +So I found my version was too old and 3.05 is the first to provide "Div" support. I upgraded my p5-CGI-FormBuilder to 3.0501. +And ikiwiki CGI started working for me. + +The Ikiwiki docs about this requirement got removed in Revision 4367. There should be a page that lists the requirements. +(I guess I could have used the debian/control file.) + +> There is a page, [[install]] documents that 3.05 is needed. + +>> Sorry, I missed that. With hundreds of wikipages it is hard to read all of them. +>> I am updating the download page now to link to it. + +I am now using ikiwiki 2.6.1 on my testing system. + +--JeremyReed ---- # Excellent - how do I translate a TWiki site? @@ -36,58 +229,37 @@ easily, perl is possible (but I'm not strong in perl). > > We will post the scripts as soon as we have them complete enough to convert our wikis. > -> -- Josh Triplett +> -- [[JoshTriplett]] >> Thanks for an excellent Xmas present, I will appreciate the additional >> users this will help switch to ikiwiki! --[[Joey]] ----- -# asciidoc or txt2tags ? +>> Sounds great indeed. Learning from [here](http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/AboutTheTWikiToIkiwikiConversion/) that HTML::WikiConverter needed for your conversion was not up-to-date on Debian I have now done an unofficial package, including your proposed Markdown patches, apt-get'able at 
deb http://debian.jones.dk/ sid wikitools
+>> -- [[JonasSmedegaard]] -Any plugins or support for using asciidoc or txt2tags as the wiki language and/or exporting to asciidoc or txt2tags? -> No, but it should be quite easy to write such a plugin. The otl plugin -> is a good example of writing a formatting plugin that uses an external -> conversion program, like asciidoc or txt2tags. --[[Joey]] +>>I see the "We will post the scripts ...." was committed about a year ago. A current site search for "Moin" does not turn them up. Any chance of an appearance in the near (end of year) future? +>> +>> -- [[MichaelRasmussen]] ---- # LaTeX support? -Any plugins or support for exporting to LaTeX? -(If not could use asciidoc or txt2tags mentioned above to generated LaTeX.) - -> It's already [[been_requested|todo/latex]], although perhaps not -> working the way you're thinking of. Noone is currently working on it. -> --[[Joey]] - ->> I did some tests with using Markdown and a customized HTML::Latex and html2latex ->> and it appears it will work for me now. (I hope to use ikiwiki for many ->> to collaborate on a printed book that will be generated at least once per day in PDF format.) ->> ->> --JeremyReed - ->>> Have a look at [pandoc](http://code.google.com/p/pandoc/). It can make PDFs via pdflatex. --[[roktas]] +Moved to [[todo/latex]] --[[Joey]] ---- # Using with CVS? -Any examples of using ikiwiki with cvs? - -> No, although the existing svn backend could fairly esily be modified into -> a CVS backend, by someone who doesn't mind working with CVS. --[[Joey]] +Moved to a [[todo_item|todo/CVS_backend]]. --[[JoshTriplett]] ---- # Show differences before saving page? -It would be nice to be able to have a button to show "Differences" (or "Show Diff") when -editing a page. Is that an option that can be enabled? - -> It's doable, it could even be done by a [[todo/plugin]], I think. -> --[[Joey]] +Moved to the existing [[todo_item|todo/preview_changes]]. --[[JoshTriplett]] ---- @@ -96,15 +268,7 @@ editing a page. Is that an option that can be enabled? Any setting for limiting how many kilobytes can be submitted via the "edit" form? -- [[JeremyReed]] -> Not currently. Worried about abuse? --[[Joey]] - ->> I didn't want it abused accidently or with malice. I was thinking that Perl's CGI.pm would handle this, but I don't see that. ->> I read that textarea max bytes may be 500 lines or 28000 characters or 30000 characters or 64kB. It seems like it ->> varies and I didn't test myself, because I guess it may depend on different clients and different HTTP servers. ->> This could be checked using javascript on the client side (before submitting) and by checking size on server side (before saving). --[[JeremyReed]] - ->>> The absolute limit varies by browser. If there are web servers that ->>> also limit it, I don't know of them. --[[Joey]] +>>> See [[todo/fileupload]] for an idea on limiting page size. --[[Joey]] ---- @@ -117,7 +281,7 @@ actions. However, it may not be something everyone appreciates. Any thoughts? --[Mazirian](http://mazirian.com) > Maybe, although it would need to take the critisism at -> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/forms/accesskey.html into account. +> into account. >> Thank you for that link. Given that the edit link is the first thing you tab to >> in the current layout, I guess it isn't all that necessary. I have had a @@ -131,7 +295,7 @@ actions. However, it may not be something everyone appreciates. Any thoughts? It would be nice to be able to edit the stylesheet by means of the cgi. Or is this possible? I wasn't able to achieve it. Ok, that's my last 2 cents for a while. --[Mazirian](http://mazirian.com) -> I don't support editing it, but if/when ikiwiki gets file upload support, +> I don't support editing it, but if/when ikiwiki gets [[todo/fileupload]] support, > it'll be possible to upload a style sheet. (If .css is in the allowed > extensions list.. no idea how safe that would be, a style sheet is > probably a great place to put XSS attacks and evil javascript that would @@ -147,16 +311,6 @@ Ok, that's my last 2 cents for a while. --[Mazirian](http://mazirian.com) ---- -# RecentChanges should show path to wiki sub-pages? - -The RecentChanges only shows the final file name for the recently changes file, -for example "discussion". It would be more useful to see "index/discussion" -or the path to the sub-page. I think this is handled by the htmllink() routine. - -> Went ahead and did this, IMHO the display is ok as-is. --[[Joey]] - ----- - # Should not create an existing page This might be a bug, but will discuss it here first. @@ -175,20 +329,71 @@ Clicking on an old "?" or going to a create link but new Markdown content exists ---- -# Refreshing RecentChanges page +# User database tools? + +Any tool to view user database? + +Any tool to edit the user database? + +> No, but it's fairly easy to write such tools in perl. For example, to +> list all users in the user database: -What do you think about refreshing RecentChanges page (via Meta Refresh Tag)? -It can be useful for users like me which rather prefer watching the last changes -in WWW browser tab than subscribing to page. --Pawel + joey@kodama:~/src/joeywiki/.ikiwiki>perl -le 'use Storable; my $userinfo=Storable::retrieve("userdb"); print $_ foreach keys %$userinfo' + http://joey.kitenet.net/ + foo -> Depends, if it were done the time period should be made configurable. -> Unwanted server load due to refeshing could be a problem for some. +> To list each user's email address: + + joey@kodama:~/src/joeywiki/.ikiwiki>perl -le 'use Storable; my $userinfo=Storable::retrieve("userdb"); print $userinfo->{$_}->{email} foreach keys %$userinfo' + + joey@kitenet.net + +> Editing is simply a matter of changing values and calling Storable::store(). +> I've not written actual utilities to do this yet because I've only needed +> to do it rarely, and the data I've wanted has been different each time. > --[[Joey]] ->> Yes, it should be configurable by ikiwiki admin. I believe he's not ->> stupid and he will not set too short refresh period to kill his server :) ->> I propose to add `recentchanges_refresh` variable in ikiwiki setup ->> to setting refresh period. If it's not defined, then ikiwiki doesn't put ->> refresh meta tag into `recentchanges.tmpl`. Do you like it? ;) --Pawel +---- + +# Spaces in WikiLinks? + +Hello Joey, + +I've just switched from ikiwiki 2.0 to ikiwiki 2.2 and I'm really surprised +that I can't use the spaces in WikiLinks. Could you please tell me why the spaces +aren't allowed in WikiLinks now? + +My best regards, + +--[[Paweł|ptecza]] + +> See [[bugs/Spaces_in_link_text_for_ikiwiki_links]] + +---- + +# Build in OpenSolaris? + +Moved to [[bugs/build_in_opensolaris]] --[[Joey]] + +---- + +# Various ways to use Subversion with ikiwiki + +I'm playing around with various ways that I can use subversion with ikiwiki. + +* Is it possible to have ikiwiki point to a subversion repository which is on a different server? The basic checkin/checkout functionality seems to work but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the post-commit hook work for a non-local server? + +> This is difficult to do since ikiwiki's post-commit wrapper expects to +> run on a machine that contains both the svn repository and the .ikiwiki +> state directory. However, with recent versions of ikiwiki, you can get +> away without running the post-commit wrapper on commit, and all you lose +> is the ability to send commit notification emails. + +* Is it possible / sensible to have ikiwiki share a subversion repository with other data (either completely unrelated files or another ikiwiki instance)? This works in part but again the post-commit hook seems problematic. + +--[[AdamShand]] ->>> Seems reasonable --[[Joey]] +> Sure, see ikiwiki's subversion repository for example of non-wiki files +> in the same repo. If you have two wikis in one repository, you will need +> to write a post-commit script that calls the post-commit wrappers for each +> wiki.