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 > > The reason is that I'm not logged in on the web server regularly to
 > > check the log files. I'll see whether I can install a logwatch instance.
 
+----
+
+# Installation of selected docs (html)
+
+The latest release has around 560 files (over 2MB) in html.
+
+Any suggestions or ideas on limiting what html is installed?
+
+For example, I don't see value in every ikiwiki install out there to also install personal "users" ikiwiki pages.
+
+For now I copy ikiwiki.setup. And then use pax with -L switch to copy the targets of the symlinks of the basewiki.
+
+I was thinking of making a list of desired documents from the html directory to install.
+
+--JeremyReed
+
+> You don't need any of them, unless you want to read ikiwiki's docs locally.
+> 
+> I don't understand why you're installing the basewiki files manually;
+> ikiwiki has a Makefile that will do this for you. --[[Joey]]
+
+>> The Makefile's install doesn't do what I want so I use different installer for it.
+>> It assumes wrong location for man pages for me. (And it should consider using INSTALLVENDORMAN1DIR and
+>> MAN1EXT but I don't know about section 8 since I don't know of perl value for that.)
+>> I don't want w3m cgi installed; it is optional for my package.
+>> I will just patch for that instead of using my own installer.
+>> Note: I am working on the pkgsrc package build specification for this. This is for creating
+>> packages for NetBSD, DragonFly and other systems that use pkgsrc package system.
+>> --JeremyReed
+
+# Installation as non-root user
+
+I'd like to install ikiwiki as a non-root user. I can plow through getting all the 
+perl dependencies installed because that's well documented in the perl world,
+but I don't know how to tell ikiwiki to install somewhere other than / --BrianWilson
+
+> Checkout the tips section for [SharedHosting](tips/SharedHosting).  It should do the trick. --MattReynolds
+
+----
+
+# Upgrade steps
+
+I upgrades from 1.40  to 2.6.1. I ran "ikiwiki --setup" using my existing ikiwiki.setup configuration.
+I had many errors like:
+
+    /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/wikilink/index.html independently created, not overwriting with version from wikilink
+    BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 5) line 129.
+
+and:
+
+    failed renaming /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/smileys.ikiwiki-new to /home/bsdwiki/www/wiki/smileys: Is a directory
+    BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 5) line 129.
+
+Probably about six errors like this. I worked around this by removing the files and directories it complained about.
+Finally it finished.
+
+> As of version 2.0, ikiwiki enables usedirs by default. See
+> [[tips/switching_to_usedirs]] for details. --[[Joey]]
+
+>> I read the config wrong. I was thinking that it showed the defaults even though commented out
+>> (like ssh configs do). I fixed that part. --JeremyReed
+
+My next problem was that ikiwiki start letting me edit without any password authentication. It used to prompt
+me for a password but now just goes right into the "editing" mode.
+The release notes for 2.0 say password auth is still on by default.
+
+> It sounds like you have the anonok plugin enabled?
+
+>> Where is the default documented? My config doesn't have it uncommented.
+
+The third problem is that when editing my textbox is empty -- no content.
+
+This is using my custom rcs.pm which has been used thousands of times.
+
+> Have you rebuilt the cgi wrapper since you upgraded ikiwiki? AFAIK I
+> fixed a bug that could result in the edit box always being empty back in
+> version 2.3. The only other way it could happen is if ikiwiki does not
+> have saved state about the page that it's editing (in .ikiwiki/index).
+
+>> Rebuilt it several times. Now that I think of it, I think my early problem of having
+>> no content in the textbox was before I rebuilt the cgi. And after I rebuilt the whole webpage was empty.
+
+Now I regenerated my ikiwiki.cgi again (no change to my configuration,
+and I just get an empty HTML page when attempting editing or "create".
+
+> If the page is completly empty then ikiwiki is crashing before it can
+> output anything, though this seems unlikely. Check the webserver logs.
+
+Now I see it created directories for my data. I fixed that by setting 
+usedirs (I see that is in the release notes for 2.0) and rerunning ikiwiki --setup
+but I still have empty pages for editing (no textbox no html at all).
+
+> Is IkiWiki crashing? If so, it would probably leave error text in the apache logs. --[[TaylorKillian]]
+
+>> Not using apache. Nothing useful in logs other thn the HTTP return codes are "0" and bytes is "-"
+>> on the empty ikiwiki.cgi output (should say " 200 " followed by bytes).
+
+>>> You need to either figure out what your web server does with stderr
+>>> from cgi programs, or run ikiwiki.cgi at the command line with an
+>>> appropriate environment so it thinks it's being called from a web
+>>> server, so you can see how it's failing. --[[Joey]]
+
+(I am posting this now, but will do some research and post some more.)
+
+Is there any webpage with upgrade steps?
+
+> Users are expected to read [[news]], which points out any incompatible
+> changes or cases where manual action is needed.
+
+>> I read it but read the usedirs option wrong :(.
+>> Also it appears to be missing the news from between 1.40 to 2.0 unless they dont' exist.
+>> If they do exist maybe they have release notes I need?
+
+>>> All the old ones are in the NEWS file. --[[Joey]]
+
+--JeremyReed
+
+My followup: I used a new ikiwiki.setup based on the latest version. But no changes for me.
+
+Also I forgot to mention that do=recentchanges works good for me. It uses my 
+rcs_recentchanges in my rcs perl module.
+
+The do=prefs does nothing though -- just a blank webpage.
+
+> You need to figure out why ikiwiki is crashing. The webserver logs should
+> tell you.
+
+I also set verbose => 1 and running ikiwiki --setup was verbose, but no changes in running CGI.
+I was hoping for some output.
+
+I am guessing that my rcs perl module stopped working on the upgrade. I didn't notice any release notes
+on changes to revision control modules. Has something changed? I will also look.
+
+> No, the rcs interface has not needed to change in a long time. Also,
+> nothing is done with the rcs for do=prefs.
+
+>> Thanks. I also checked differences between 1.40 Rcs plugins and didn't notice anything significant.
+
+--JeremyReed
+
+Another Followup: I created a new ikiwiki configuration and did the --setup to 
+create an entirely different website. I have same problem there. No prompt for password
+and empty webpage when using the cgi.
+I never upgraded any perl modules so maybe a new perl module is required but I don't see any errors so I don't know.
+
+The only errors I see when building and installing ikiwiki are:
+
+    Can't exec "otl2html": No such file or directory at IkiWiki/Plugin/otl.pm line 66.
+
+    gettext 0.14 too old, not updating the pot file
+
+I don't use GNU gettext on here.
+
+I may need to revert back to my old ikiwiki install which has been used to thousands of times (with around
+1000 rcs commits via ikiwiki).
+
+--JeremyReed
+
+I downgraded to version 1.40 (that was what I had before I wrote wrong above).
+Now ikiwiki is working for me again (but using 1.40). I shouldn't have tested on production system :)
+
+--JeremyReed
+
+I am back. On a different system, I installed ikiwiki 2.6.1. Same problem -- blank CGI webpage.
+
+So I manually ran with:
+
+    REQUEST_METHOD=GET QUERY_STRING='do=create&page=jcr' kiwiki.cgi
+
+And clearly saw the error:
+
+    [IkiWiki::main] Fatal: Bad template engine CGI::FormBuilder::Template::div: Can't locate CGI/FormBuilder/Template/div.pm
+
+So I found my version was too old and 3.05 is the first to provide "Div" support. I upgraded my p5-CGI-FormBuilder to 3.0501.
+And ikiwiki CGI started working for me.
+
+The Ikiwiki docs about this requirement got removed in Revision 4367. There should be a page that lists the requirements.
+(I guess I could have used the debian/control file.)
+
+> There is a page, [[install]] documents that 3.05 is needed.
+
+>> Sorry, I missed that. With hundreds of wikipages it is hard to read all of them.
+>> I am updating the download page now to link to it.
+
+I am now using ikiwiki 2.6.1 on my testing system.
+
+--JeremyReed
+
 ----
 # Excellent - how do I translate a TWiki site?
 
@@ -54,6 +242,15 @@ easily, perl is possible (but I'm not strong in perl).
 >> Thanks for an excellent Xmas present, I will appreciate the additional 
 >> users this will help switch to ikiwiki! --[[Joey]]
 
+
+>> Sounds great indeed. Learning from [here](http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/AboutTheTWikiToIkiwikiConversion/) that HTML::WikiConverter needed for your conversion was not up-to-date on Debian I have now done an unofficial package, including your proposed Markdown patches, apt-get'able at <pre>deb http://debian.jones.dk/ sid wikitools</pre>
+>> -- [[JonasSmedegaard]]
+
+
+>>I see the "We will post the scripts ...." was committed about a year ago.  A current site search for "Moin" does not turn them up.  Any chance of an appearance in the near (end of year) future?
+>>
+>> -- [[MichaelRasmussen]]
+
 ----
 
 # LaTeX support?
@@ -164,6 +361,16 @@ Any tool to edit the user database?
 > to do it rarely, and the data I've wanted has been different each time.
 > --[[Joey]]
 
+>> Thanks for these examples -- I have been using them. I don't know the
+>> Storable yet. Can someone share an example of removing a user? (I now
+>> setup account\_creation\_password and I have some spammer with different
+>> login names that I have banned that I might as well remove from the
+>> userdb.)
+
+>>> Let's see, you could do something like this:
+>>>	perl -le 'use Storable; my $userinfo=Storable::retrieve("userdb"); delete $$userinfo{"joey"}; Storable::lock_store($userinfo, "userdb")'
+>>> I suppose I should stop being lame and create a command line tool wrapping up these operations.. --[[Joey]]
+
 ----
 
 # Spaces in WikiLinks?
@@ -185,3 +392,62 @@ My best regards,
 # Build in OpenSolaris?
 
 Moved to [[bugs/build_in_opensolaris]] --[[Joey]]
+
+----
+
+# Various ways to use Subversion with ikiwiki
+
+I'm playing around with various ways that I can use subversion with ikiwiki.
+
+* Is it possible to have ikiwiki point to a subversion repository which is on a different server?  The basic checkin/checkout functionality seems to work but there doesn't seem to be any way to make the post-commit hook work for a non-local server?
+
+> This is difficult to do since ikiwiki's post-commit wrapper expects to
+> run on a machine that contains both the svn repository and the .ikiwiki
+> state directory. However, with recent versions of ikiwiki, you can get
+> away without running the post-commit wrapper on commit, and all you lose
+> is the ability to send commit notification emails.
+
+> (And now that [[recentchanges]] includes rss, you can just subscribe to
+> that, no need to worry about commit notification emails anymore.)
+
+* Is it possible / sensible to have ikiwiki share a subversion repository with other data (either completely unrelated files or another ikiwiki instance)?  This works in part but again the post-commit hook seems problematic.
+
+--[[AdamShand]]
+
+> Sure, see ikiwiki's subversion repository for example of non-wiki files
+> in the same repo. If you have two wikis in one repository, you will need
+> to write a post-commit script that calls the post-commit wrappers for each
+> wiki.
+
+----
+
+# Regex for Valid Characters in Filenames
+
+I'm sure that this is documented somewhere but I've ransacked the wiki and I can't find it.  :-(  What are the allowed characters in an ikiwiki page name?  I'm writing a simple script to make updating my blog easier and need to filter invalid characters (so far I've found that # and , aren't allowed ;-)).  Thanks for any pointers.  -- [[AdamShand]]
+
+> The default `wiki_file_regexp` matches filenames containing only
+> `[-[:alnum:]_.:/+]`
+> 
+> The IkiWiki::titlepage() function will convert freeform text to a valid
+> page name. See [[todo/should_use_a_standard_encoding_for_utf_chars_in_filenames]]
+> for an example. --[[Joey]]
+
+>> Perfect, thanks! 
+>>
+>> In the end I decided that I didn't need any special characters in filenames and replaced everything but alphanumeric characters with underscores.  In addition to replacing bad characters I also collapse multiple underscores into a single one, and strip off trailing and leading underscores to make tidy filenames.  If it's useful to anybody else here's a sed example:
+>>
+>>     # echo "++ Bad: ~@#$%^&*()_=}{[];,? Iki: +_-:./ Num: 65.5 ++" | sed -e 's/[^A-Za-z0-9_]/_/g' -e 's/__*/_/g' -e 's/^_//g' -e 's/_$//g'
+>>     Bad_Iki_Num_65_5
+>>
+>>--[[AdamShand]]
+
+# Upgrade steps from RecentChanges CGI to static page?
+
+Where are the upgrade steps for RecentChanges change from CGI to static feed?
+I run multiple ikiwiki-powered sites on multiple servers, but today I just upgraded one to 2.32.3.
+Please have a look at
+<http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/wiki/recentchanges.html>
+Any suggestions?
+
+> There are no upgrade steps required. It does look like you need to enable
+> the meta plugin to get a good recentchanges page though.. --[[Joey]]