X-Git-Url: http://git.vanrenterghem.biz/git.ikiwiki.info.git/blobdiff_plain/0d58f263214183b4667987da48077d5e8e8a41c1..329f0991ef71635c6390126ca1d99a187254de18:/doc/bugs/pagetitle_function_does_not_respect_meta_titles.mdwn diff --git a/doc/bugs/pagetitle_function_does_not_respect_meta_titles.mdwn b/doc/bugs/pagetitle_function_does_not_respect_meta_titles.mdwn index 11735f770..4a83f9ec8 100644 --- a/doc/bugs/pagetitle_function_does_not_respect_meta_titles.mdwn +++ b/doc/bugs/pagetitle_function_does_not_respect_meta_titles.mdwn @@ -120,7 +120,7 @@ diff -c /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/meta.pm.distrib /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki --- +---- > A few quick notes about it: @@ -135,3 +135,99 @@ diff -c /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/meta.pm.distrib /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki >> Thus tagging [[patch]]. --[[intrigeri]] >> >>> Joey, please consider merging my `meta` branch. --[[intrigeri]] + +So, looking at your meta branch: --[[Joey]] + +* Inter-page dependencies. If page A links to page B, and page B currently + has no title, then A will display the link as "B". Now page B is modified + and a title is added. Nothing updates "A". + The added overhead of rebuilding every page that links to B when B is + changed (as the `postscan` hook of the po plugin does) is IMHO a killer. + That could be hundreds or thousands of pages, making interactive editing + way slow. This is probably the main reason I had not attempted this whole + thing myself. IMHO this calls for some kind of intellegent dependency + handler that can detect when B's title has changed and only rebuild pages + that link to B in that case. +* Looks like some plugins that use `pagetitle` to format it for display + were not changed to use `nicepagetitle` (for example, rename). + But most of those callers intend to display the page name + as a title, but including the parent directories in the path. (Ie, + "renaming foo/page title to bar/page title" -- + you want to know it's moved from foo to bar.) `nicepagetitle` does not + allow doing that since it always takes the `basename`. +* I don't like the name `nicepagetitle`. It's not very descriptive, is it? + And it seems very confusing to choose whether to use the "nice" or original + version. My hope is that adding a second function is unnecessary. + As I understand it, you added a new function for two reasons: + 1) It needs the full page name, not basename. + 2) `titlepage(pagetitle($page))` reversability. + + 1) If you look at all the callers + Of `pagetitle` most of them pass a complete page name, not just the + basename. In most cases `pagetitle` is used to display the full name + of the page, including any subdirectory it's in. So why not just make + it consitently be given the full name of the page, with another argument + specifying if we want to get back just the base name. + + 2) I can't find any code that actually uses the reversability like that. + The value passed to `titlepage` always comes from some external + source. Unless I missed one. +* The use of `File::Spec->rel2abs` is a bit scary. +* Does it really make sense to call `pagetitle` on the meta title + in meta's `nicepagetitle`? What if the meta title is something like + "foo_bar" -- that would be changed to "foo bar". +* parentlinks is changed to use `nicepagetitle(bestlink($page, $path))`. + Won't `bestlink` return "" if the parent page in question does not exist? +* `backlinks()` is changed to add an additional `title` field + to the hash returned, but AFAICS this is not used in the template. +* Shouldn't `Render.pm` use nicepagetitle when getting the title for the + page template? Then meta would not need to override the title in the + `pagetemplate` hook. (Although this would eliminate handling of + `title_overridden` -- but that is little used and would not catch + all the other ways titles can be overridden with this patch anyway.) + +> I'm not a reviewer or anything, but can I chime in on changes to pagetitle? +> I don't think having meta-titles in wikilinks and the parentlinks path by +> default is necessarily a good thing. I don't consider the meta-title of a page +> as used in `` to be the same thing as the short title you +> want in those contexts - IMO, the meta-title is the "formal" title of the page, +> enough to identify it with no other context, and frequently too long to be used +> as a link title or a parentlink, whereas the parentlinks title in particular +> should be some abbreviated form that's enough to identify it in context. +> [tbm](http://www.cyrius.com/) expressed a similar opinion when I was discussing +> ikiwiki with him at the weekend. +> +> It's a matter of taste whether wikilinks are "like a parentlink" or "like a +> `<title>`"; I could be persuaded either way on that one. +> +> An example from my site: [this page](http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/ipsec/) +> is the parent of [this page](http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/ipsec/wifi/) +> with a title too long to use in the latter's parentlinks; I think the titles of +> both those pages are too long to use as wikilink text too. Similarly, tbm's page +> about [Debian on Orion devices from Buffalo](http://www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/buffalo/) +> can simply be called "Buffalo" in context. +> +> Having a `\[[!meta abbrev="..."]]` that took precedence over title +> in parentlinks and possibly wikilinks might be a good way to fix this? Or if your +> preference goes the other way, perhaps a `\[[!meta longtitle=""]]` could take +> precedence when generating the `<title>` and the title that comes after the +> parentlinks. --[[smcv]] + +>> I think you've convinced me. (I had always had some doubt in my mind as +>> to whether using titles in all these other places would make sense.) +>> +>> Instead of meta abbrev, you could have a meta pagename that +>> overrides the page name displayed everywhere (in turn overridden by +>> meta title iff the page's title is being displayed). But is this complexity +>> needed? We have meta redir, so if you want to change the name of a page, +>> you can just rename it, and put in a stub redirection page so links +>> still work. +>> +>> This leaves the [[plugins/contrib/po]] plugin, which really does need +>> a way to change the displayed page name everywhere, and at least a +>> subset of the changes in the meta branch are needed to support that. +>> +>> (This would also get around my concern about inter-page dependency +>> handling, since po contains a workaround for that, and it's probably +>> acceptable to use potentially slow methods to handle this case.) +>> --[[Joey]]