-* [[users/jasonblevins]]'s code plugin uses src-highlight, and supports both
- while file and directive use.
-
-## General problems
-
-* Using non-perl syntax highlighting backends is slow. I'd prefer either
- using a perl module, or a multiple-backend solution that can use a perl
- module as one option. (Or, if there's a great highlighter python module,
- we could use an external plugin..)
-* Currently no single plugin supports both modes of operation (directive
- and whole source file to page).
-
- > This is now fixed by the [[ikiwiki/directive/format]] directive for all
- > whole-source-file plugins, right?
-
+* [[users/jasonblevins]]'s code plugin uses source-highlight, and supports both
+ whole file and directive use.
+
+* [hlsimple](http://pivot.cs.unb.ca/git/?p=ikiplugins.git;a=blob_plain;f=IkiWiki/Plugin/hlsimple.pm;hb=HEAD) is a wrapper for the the perl module [[!cpan Syntax::Highlight::Engine::Simple]]. This is pure perl, pretty simple, uses css. It ought to be pretty fast (according to the author, and just because it is not external).
+On the other hand, there are not many predefined languages yet. Defining language syntaxes is about as much
+work as source-highlight, but in perl. I plan to package the base module for debian. Perhaps after the author
+releases the 5 or 6 language definitions he has running on his web site, it might be suitable for inclusion in ikiwiki. [[DavidBremner]]
+
+* [[plugins/highlight]] uses [highlight](http://www.andre-simon.de) via
+ its swig bindings. It optionally supports whole files, but also
+ integrates with the format directive to allow formatting of *any* of
+ highlight's supported formats. (For whole files, it uses either
+ keepextension or noextension, as appropriate for the type of file.)
+
+## General problems / requirements
+
+* Using non-perl syntax highlighting backends is slower. All things equal,
+ I'd prefer either using a perl module, or a multiple-backend solution that
+ can use a perl module as one option. (Or, if there's a great highlighter
+ python module, we could use an external plugin..)
+
+ Of course, some perl modules are also rather slow.. Kate, for example
+ can only process about 33 lines of C code, or 14 lines of
+ debian/changelog per second. That's **30 times slower than markdown**!
+
+ By comparison, source-highlight can do about 5000 lines of C code per
+ second... And launching the program 100 times on an empty file takes about
+ 5 seconds, which isn't bad. And, it has a C++ library, which it
+ seems likely perl bindings could be written for, to eliminate
+ even that overhead.
+ > [highlight](http://www.andre-simon.de) has similar features to source-highlight, and swig bindings
+ > that should make it trivial in principle to call from perl. I like highlight a bit better because
+ > it has a pass-through feature that I find very useful. My memory is unfortunately a bit fuzzy as to how
+ > well the swig bindings work. [[DavidBremner]]
+
+* Engines that already support a wide variety of file types are of
+ course preferred. If the engine doesn't support a particular type
+ of file, it could fall back to doing something simple like
+ adding line numbers. (IkiWiki-Plugin-syntax does this.)
+* XHTML output.
+* Emitting html that uses CSS to control the display is preferred,
+ since it allows for easy user customization. (Engine::Simple does
+ this; Kate can be configured to do it; source-highlight can be
+ made to do it via the switches `--css /dev/null --no-doc`)