+-- [[schmonz]]
+
+> Have you considered using [[plugins/httpauth]] and then the appropriate apache module? There are apache modules like [mod_authnz_external](http://unixpapa.com/mod_auth_external.html) that might help. The advantage of these solutions is that they usually make the security implications explicit. -- Will
+
+Actually, yes. That's how I made sure I had pwauth working to begin with. I'm partial to the form-based approach because I'm not aware of any way to reliably "log out" browsers from HTTP authentication. If that *is* reliably possible, then I worked way too hard for no reason. ;-)
+-- [[schmonz]]
+
+I've added support for [checkpassword](http://cr.yp.to/checkpwd/interface.html), since those generally don't have any rate-limiting cleverness to interfere with ikiwiki's, and made a few other changes. Please check out the plugin docs again and let me know if this is closer to being acceptable.
+-- [[schmonz]]
+
+> I actually think that the rate limiting is a good thing. After all,
+> ikiwiki doesn't do its own login rate limiting. Just need to find a way
+> to disentangle the two locks. --[[Joey]]
+
+>> Ah, ok, I misunderstood your comment. I'll see what I can figure out. --[[schmonz]]
+
+>>> My time's been limited for this, but I just saw [[todo/avoid_thrashing]]. How does that interact with pwauth or checkpassword? --[[schmonz]]
+
+>>>> The DOS still happens, it just uses less memory. --[[Joey]]