Seems there is also a [gitweb](http://repo.or.cz/w/ikiwiki/intrigeri.git).
+> Ok, I'll take a look. BTW, could you allow user joey on repo.or.cz
+> push access to the main ikiwiki repo you set up there? --[[Joey]]
+
+>> I did not. The main ikiwiki repo on repo.or.cz seems to have been
+>> been setup by johannes.schindelin@gmx.de ; mine is what they call
+>> a "fork" (but it's not, obviously). -- intrigeri
+
Any opinions on the idea/design/implementation?
-What needs to be changed so that it's possible to include it in
-mainline ikiwiki?
+> Seems that there should be a more generic way to do `PEDIGREE_BUT_ROOT`
+> and `PEDIGREE_BUT_TWO_OLDEST` (also `is_second_ancestor`,
+> `is_grand_mother` etc). One way would be to include in `PEDIGREE`
+> a set of values like `depth_1`, `depth_2`, etc. The one corresponding
+> to the `absdepth` would be true. This would allow a template like this:
+
+ <TMPL_LOOP NAME="PEDIGREE">
+ <TMPL_IF NAME="depth_1">
+ </TMPL_ELSE>
+ <TMPL_IF NAME="depth_2">
+ </TMPL_ELSE>
+ <TMPL_VAR PAGE> /* only showing pages 2 levels deep */
+ </TMPL_IF>
+ </TMPL_IF>
+ </TMPL_LOOP>
+
+> The only missing information would be `reldepth`, but in the above
+> example the author of that template knows that it's `absdepth - 1`
+> (Things would be a lot nicer if `HTML::Template` had equality tests!)
+>
+> Since this would make it more generic and also fix your one documented
+> bug, I can see no reason not to do it. ;-) --[[Joey]]
+
+>> Thanks for your comments. I'll answer soon. (Grrr, I really
+>> need to find a way to edit this wiki offline, every minute
+>> online costs bucks to me, my old modem gently weeps,
+>> and I hate webbrowsers.) -- intrigeri
+
+>>> Well, I maybe didn't get your idea properly; I may be missing
+>>> something obvious, but:
+
+>>> * I don't understand how this would replace `is_grand_mother`. As a template
+>>> writer, I don't know, given an absolute array index (and this is the only
+>>> piece of data your solution gives me), if it will be e.g. the before-last
+>>> (how do I say this in correct English?) element of an array whose
+>>> (variable) size is unknown to me.
+>>> * Knowing that `reldepth`'s value is, in a given loop, always equal to
+>>> `absdepth - 1` is of little use to me (as a template writer): how do I use
+>>> this piece of information programmatically in my templates, if I want all
+>>> links with `reldepth==2` to be given the same style? I guess some bits of
+>>> Javascript might do the trick, but if it's getting so complicated, I'll
+>>> just style my parentlinks another way.
+
+>>>> Perhaps I misunderstood what `is_grand_mother` is supposed to do. The
+>>>> docs were not very clear to me. If it's supposed to be 2 down from
+>>>> the page, (and not from the root), this could be achieved by reversing
+>>>> the `depth_n` variables. So the page gets `depth_1` set, its parent gets
+>>>> `depth_2` set, etc. If you want to be able to include/exclude
+>>>> from both ends, you could also have a `height_n` that is 1 for the
+>>>> root, and counts upwards. --[[Joey]]
+
+>>> In my understanding, your suggestion gives us little more than can already
+>>> be achieved anyway with `HTML::Template`'s `loop_context_vars` (i.e.
+>>> `__first__`, `__last__` and `__counter__`). The only added bonus is doing
+>>> custom stuff for an arbitrary element in the loop, chosen by its absolute
+>>> depth. Please correct me if needed.
+
+>>> (Intermezzo: in the meantime, to suit my personal real-world needs, I added
+>>> a `DISTANCE` loop-variable. Quoting the documentation, it's "thedistance,
+>>> expressed in path elements, from the current page to the current path
+>>> element; e.g. this is 1 for the current page's mother, 2 for its
+>>> grand-mother, etc.".)
+
+>>> Anyway, your comments have made me think of other ways to simplify a bit
+>>> this plugin, which admittedly provides too much overlapping functionality.
+>>> Bellow is my reasoning.
+
+>>> In one of my own real world examples, my two main use cases are :
+
+>>> * the "full-blown example" provided in the documentation (i.e.
+>>> displaying every parent but mother and grand'ma as a group, and giving
+>>> every of these two last ones their dedicated div);
+>>> * skipping the two oldest parents, and inside what's left, displaying the
+>>> three youngest parents (i.e. mother, grand'ma and grand'grand'ma), each
+>>> one with a dedicated style;
+
+>>> Both of these can be achieved by combining `PEDIGREE`, `DISTANCE`, and some
+>>> CSS tricks to hide some parts of the list. `IS_MOTHER` and
+>>> `IS_GRAND_MOTHER`, as well as `PEDIGREE_BUT_TWO_OLDEST`, would be convenient
+>>> shortcuts, but I do not formally need them.
+
+>>> So... it seems things can be simplified greatly:
+
+>>> * I initially added `RELDEPTH` for completeness, but I'm not sure anyone
+>>> would use it. Let's give it up.
+>>> * Once `RELDEPTH` is lost (modulo Git tendencies to preserve history), the
+>>> known bug is gone as well, and `PEDIGREE_BUT_ROOT` and
+>>> `PEDIGREE_BUT_TWO_OLDEST` are now only convenient shortcuts functions;
+>>> they could as well disappear, if you prefer to.
+
+>>> It appears then that I'd be personally happy with the single `PEDIGREE` loop
+>>> (renamed to `PARENTLINKS`), providing only `PAGE`, `URL`, `ABSDEPTH` (maybe
+>>> renamed to `DEPTH`), and `DISTANCE`. This would make my templates a bit more
+>>> complicated to write and read, but would also keep the plugin's code to the
+>>> bare minimum. Let's say it is my up-to-date proposal. (Well, if the various
+>>> shortcuts don't really annoy you, I'd be glad to keep them ;)
+
+>>>> This sounds fairly similar to what I just described above. (I called
+>>>> DISTANCE "height".) I don't know about the CSS tricks; seems like if
+>>>> `DEPTH_n` and `DISTANCE_n` are provided, you can test for them inside
+>>>> the loop using HTML::Template's lame testing, and isolate any page or
+>>>> range of pages. --[[Joey]]
+
+>>>>> Ok, I definitely like this idea, as an effective and generic
+>>>>> page-range selection tool; this seems the way to go to me.
+
+>>>>> But if you discard the `DEPTH` and `HEIGHT`
+>>>>> counters, we lack a way to **style**, for example, every parent link
+>>>>> depending on its depth or height; one can do this for arbitrary
+>>>>> parents (chosen by their height or depth), but *not* for *any* parent,
+>>>>> since there is no way to express, with HTML::Template, something like
+>>>>> "display the name of the only `DEPTH_n` variable that is currently
+>>>>> true". So I am in favor of keeping the `DEPTH` and `HEIGHT` counters,
+>>>>> to allow constructs like:
+
+ <TMPL_LOOP NAME="PARENTLINKS">
+ <a href="<TMPL_VAR NAME="URL">" class="parentdistance<TMPL_VAR NAME="DISTANCE">">
+ <TMPL_VAR NAME="PAGE">
+ </a> /
+ </TMPL_LOOP>
+
+>>>>> This seems to me a nice functionality bonus, and should not
+>>>>> imply too bloated code. I'm thus going to rewrite the plugin
+>>>>> with only `PEDIGREE`, `DEPTH`, `HEIGHT`, `DEPTH_n` and
+>>>>> `HEIGHT_n`. -- intrigeri
+
+>>>>>> Done, and pushed in my pedigree branch. Update: I've also done and
+>>>>>> pushed two commits that rename the plugin and replace
+>>>>>> the core parentlinks with this one. --[[intrigeri]]
(I'll try never to rebase this branch, but writing this plugin has
been a pretext for me to start learning Git, so...)
-To finish with, it seems no plugin bundled with ikiwiki uses the current parentlinks implementation, so one could event think of moving it from the core to this plugin (which should then be enabled by default, since the default templates do use parentlinks ;).
+To finish with, it seems no plugin bundled with ikiwiki uses the current
+parentlinks implementation, so one could event think of moving it from the
+core to this plugin (which should then be enabled by default, since the
+default templates do use parentlinks ;).
+
+> I think that moving parentlinks out to a plugin is a good idea.
+> However, if it's done, I think the plugin should be named parentlinks,
+> and should continue to use the same template variables as are used now,
+> to avoid needing to change custom templates. Pedigree is a quite nice
+> name, but renaming it to parentlinks seems to be the way to go to me.
+> --[[Joey]]
+
+>> Agreed. -- intrigeri
+
+>> Just commited a testsuite for this plugin, BTW. It's nearly twice
+>> big as the plugin itself, I'm wondering... -- intrigeri
+
+Merged, nice work. (Overkill having a test suite. ;-) --[[Joey]]
+
+> Thanks. If the testsuite reveals itself to be harder to maintain than
+> the plugin, my ego won't be offended to see it removed. It's been
+> nice to find a way, step by step, to work with you on this small
+> plugin thing. I'm starting to feel a bit at home in ikiwiki
+> sourcetree, which is great since I may have to start working on some
+> more ambitious ikiwiki stuff, such as the ~multilingual wiki
+> (master language + translations) support. Expect news from me on
+> this front in the next weeks. --[[intrigeri]]
+
+[[!tag patch done]]