to be picked and chosen from this, but at least the global python file can
be very convenient.
+> Did you consider just including the global rst header text into an item
+> in the setup file? --[[Joey]]
+>
+>> Then `rst_header` would not be much different from the python script
+>> `rst_customize`. rst_header is as safe as other files (though disruptive
+>> as noted), so it should/could be a editable file in the Wiki. A Python
+>> script of course can not be. There is nothing you can do in the
+>> rst_header (that you sensibly would do, I think) that couldn't be done in
+>> the Python script. `rst_header` has very limited use, but it is another
+>> possibility, mainly for the user-editable aspect. --[[ulrik]]
+>>
+>> (I foresaw only two things to be added to the rst_header: the default
+>> role could be configured there (as with rst_wikirole), and if you have a
+>> meta-role like :shortcut:, shortcuts could be defined there.)
+>
+> I have some discussion on the [docutils mailing list][dml], the developers
+> of docutils seems to favor "Proposal 1", while I defend my ideas. They
+> want all users of ReST to use only the basic featureset to remain
+> compatible, of course. -- [[ulrik]]
+
+[dml]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.text.docutils.user/5376
+
Some rst-custom [examples are here](http://kaizer.se/wiki/rst_examples/)
[rst-custom]: http://github.com/engla/ikiwiki/commits/rst-customize
>> use more rst-like syntax (and documents degrades better outside the wiki as
>> noted).
>>
->> The named link syntax (just like the :wiki: role) are inspired from trac
->> and a good fit, but only if the wiki is committed to using only rst,
->> which I don't think is the case.
+>>> Unsure about the degredation argument. It will work some of
+>>> the time, but ikiwiki's [[ikiwiki/subpage/linkingrules]]
+>>> are sufficiently different from normal html relative link
+>>> rules that it often won't work. --[[Joey]]
+>>>
+>>>> With degradation I mean that if you take a file out of the wiki; the
+>>>> links degrade to stylized text. If using default role, they degrade to
+>>>> :title: which renders italicized text (which I find is exactly
+>>>> appropriate). There is no way for them to degrade into links, except of
+>>>> course if you reimplement the :wiki: role. You can also respecify
+>>>> either the default role (the `wikilink` syntax) or the :wiki: role (the
+>>>> :wiki:`wikilink` syntax) to any other markup, for example None.
+>>>> --[[ulrik]]
+>>
+>> The named link syntax (just like the :wiki: role) are inspired from
+>> [trac][tracrst] and a good fit, but only if the wiki is committed to
+>> using only rst, which I don't think is the case.
>>
>> The rst-customize changes are very useful for custom directive
>> installations (like the sourcecode directive, or shortcut roles I show
>> other phases? rst must be before any preprocess hook to avoid seeing any
>> HTML.
>>
->> With the presented changes, I already have a working RestructuredText
->> wiki, but I'm admitting that using .. raw:: html around all directives is
->> very ugly (I use few directives: inline, toggle, meta, tag, map)
+>>> One of my long term goals is to refactor all the code in ikiwiki
+>>> that manually runs the various stages of the render pipeline,
+>>> into one centralized place. Once that's done, that place can get
+>>> smart about what order to run the stages, and use a different
+>>> order for rst. --[[Joey]]
>>
>> If I'm thinking right, processing to HTML already in filter means any
>> processing in scan can be reused directly (or skipped if it's legal to
>>
>> -- [[ulrik]]
+>>> Seems it could be, yes. --[[Joey]]
+>>>
+>>>> It is not clear how we can work around reST wrapping directives with
+>>>> paragraph tags. Also, some escaping of xml characters & <> might
+>>>> happen, but I can't imagine right now what breakage can come from that.
+>>>> -- [[ulrik]]
+
+[tracrst]: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiRestructuredText
### Implementation ###
>> Well, no idea how that would be expressed, but I mean, replace the indent
>> directly in $handle's return value.
>>
+>>> Yes, in effect just `indent($1, handle->($2,$,4))` --[[Joey]]
+>>
>> The indent-catching regex is wrong in the way you mention, it has been
>> nagigng my mind a bit as well; I think matching start of line + spaces
>> and tabs is the only thing we want.
>> -- [[ulrik]]
+>>
+>>> Well, seems you want to match the indent at the start of the line containing
+>>> the directive, even if the directive does not start the line. That would
+>>> be quite hard to make a regexp do, though. --[[Joey]]
+>>
+>> I wasted a long time getting the simpler `indent($1, handle->($2,$,4))` to
+>> work (remember, I don't know perl at all). Somehow `$1` does not arrive, I
+>> made a simple testcase that worked, and I conclude something inside $handle
+>> results in the value of $1 not arriving as it should!
+>>
+>> Anyway, instead a very simple incremental patch is in [pproc-indent][ppi]
+>> where the indentation regex is `(^[ \t]+|)` instead, which seems to work
+>> very well (and the regex is multiline now as well). I'm happy to rebase the
+>> changes if you want or you can just squash the four patches 1+3 => 1+1
+>> -- [[ulrik]]
[ppi]: http://github.com/engla/ikiwiki/commits/pproc-indent
>> However, I think that if the cache does not work for a big load, it should
>> not work at all; small loads are small so they don't matter. --ulrik
+-----
+
+Another possiblity is using empty url for wikilinks (gitit uses this approach), for example:
+
+ `SomePage <>`_
+
+Since it uses *empty* url, I would like to call it *proposal 0* :-) --[weakish]
+
+[weakish]: http://weakish.pigro.net