From bounce-debian-mentors=bremner=unb.ca@lists.debian.org Wed Jul 30 20:16:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca Delivery-date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:16:49 -0300 Received: from mailserv2.unb.ca ([131.202.1.10]) by pivot.cs.unb.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOKuX-00071l-K7 for bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:16:49 -0300 Received: from mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca (mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca [198.164.163.195]) by mailserv2.unb.ca (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6UNGdBa006338 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:16:44 -0300 Received: from mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C76044403E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:16:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from liszt.debian.org (liszt.debian.org [82.195.75.100]) by mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EB344403A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:16:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 7A17E13A6127; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on liszt.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.4 required=4.0 tests=LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST, ONEWORD,SARE_MSGID_LONG40 autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Original-To: lists-debian-mentors@liszt.debian.org Delivered-To: lists-debian-mentors@liszt.debian.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD4F13A6101 for ; 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c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=R6VnmecoXNAxvKp20WeRTsFfEI0aTgawZYTtoYT3aXFlm7R3wbEXMy3tRCR4Ow7xmK K23ottieP8kwyTNl9y6uCWZi1vzttifktll6pFbyrk48FJstqICirAS2rMoI9+/dVjTf 7QDo7HtwkoUxZY32Zi5KiJ04pGClVOmoDDfLI= Received: by 10.141.168.16 with SMTP id v16mr4901496rvo.233.1217459788933; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.202.10 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b2d7b4d0807301616r62b9039bh94c4d90011362022@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:16:28 +0200 From: "Sandro Tosi" To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: ftp-masters In-Reply-To: <20080730230743.GR21393@volo.donarmstrong.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080730115010.GA24515@shota.mine.nu> <200807301404.49015.t.quathamer@gmx.net> <87tze7bjp5.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <8b2d7b4d0807300615m129c35f8x7789b376b958e35a@mail.gmail.com> <87ljzjatoi.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <8b2d7b4d0807301542u41a4b774pa8b5fda67554f0da@mail.gmail.com> <20080730230743.GR21393@volo.donarmstrong.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on mailserv2.unb.ca X-Virus-Scanned: at lists.debian.org with policy bank en-lt X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.363 tagged_above=3.6 required=5.3 tests=[LDO_WHITELIST=-5, ONEWORD=2, SARE_MSGID_LONG40=0.637] X-Rc-Virus: 2007-09-13_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2007-10-04_01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42407 X-Loop: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-mentors-request@lists.debian.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:16:41 +0000 (UTC) X-PMX-Version: 5.4.2.338381, Antispam-Engine: 2.6.0.325393, Antispam-Data: 2008.7.30.230115 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='BODY_SIZE_2000_2999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, WEBMAIL_SOURCE 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __C230066_P1_2 0, __CD 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FRAUD_419_WEBMAIL 0, __FRAUD_419_WEBMAIL_FROM 0, __FROM_GMAIL 0, __HAS_LIST_HEADER 0, __HAS_LIST_HELP 0, __HAS_LIST_SUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_LIST_UNSUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_HTTP_RECEIVED 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_2 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sender-Verified: bounce-debian-mentors=bremner=unb.ca@lists.debian.org On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 01:07, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> Because it doesn't add any information for the end users, > > Sure it does. It tells end users what was changed in between the > REJECT and the new upload. Eliding this means that it's no longer > possible to trivially tell what was changed between uploads.[1] But does really an end user knows/cares about it? You are talkink from a developer POV, that's a little bit low-level than most of our users. >> if not confusion: it seems that 2 different version reached the >> archive, since the users will see 2 different entries in the >> changelog (for example using apt-listchanges) when indeed there is >> only 1 package uploaded after the one previou in the archive. > > There were two uploaded, not just one. Furthermore, it doesn't matter > how many have reached the archive when a user is examining changelogs. > All you care about is the version that you have, the version that > you're upgrading to, and any previous versions you had installed. None > of those necessarily correlate with versions that are actually in the > archive. mh, so the latest changelog entry should report why the previous upload was REJECTED, and what was done to fix it. >> Ah, did I forgot to remember that "Our priorities are our users and >> free software"? > > Obviously, which is why you should do what I suggested. > > You shouldn't treat changelogs of packages which happen to stop off at > NEW any differently, even if they get REJECTed. I suggest this only because a REJECTED package is a sort of half-release, and you still need to rework (hopefully a bit) the previous changes: you rework the previous upload (that you think it was right) to meet our standards. Of course, this is just what I *feel* is correct, since no ufficial doc is available for this. Cheers, Sandro > 1: Furthermore, you really should be tagging your uploads with the > release that you uploaded to Debian with in your VCS. You are doing > that, right? Of course, but I can retag ;) -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, Morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org