From bounce-debian-mentors=bremner=unb.ca@lists.debian.org Wed Jul 30 20:08:13 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca Delivery-date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:08:13 -0300 Received: from mailserv4.its.unb.ca ([131.202.1.27]) by pivot.cs.unb.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOKmD-00070X-TD for bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:08:13 -0300 Received: from mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca (mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca [198.164.163.195]) by mailserv4.its.unb.ca (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6UN86Lw011534 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:08:08 -0300 Received: from mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 442A444403D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:08:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from liszt.debian.org (liszt.debian.org [82.195.75.100]) by mx2.nbpei-ecn.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D653944403E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:08:05 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 503F013A5F47; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on liszt.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=LDO_WHITELIST,ONEWORD autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Original-To: lists-debian-mentors@liszt.debian.org Delivered-To: lists-debian-mentors@liszt.debian.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6BC13A5F9E for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from liszt.debian.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lists.debian.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 2525) with ESMTP id 18845-15 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:07:55 +0000 (UTC) X-policyd-weight: using cached result; rate: -5 Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [138.23.92.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC8613A5F47 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6UN7iq7004273 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:44 -0700 Received: (from remotemail@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6UN7i5J004272 for debian-mentors@lists.debian.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:44 -0700 Received: (nullmailer pid 7515 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:07:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:07:43 -0700 From: Don Armstrong To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: ftp-masters Message-ID: <20080730230743.GR21393@volo.donarmstrong.com> Mail-Followup-To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org References: <20080730115010.GA24515@shota.mine.nu> <200807301404.49015.t.quathamer@gmx.net> <87tze7bjp5.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <8b2d7b4d0807300615m129c35f8x7789b376b958e35a@mail.gmail.com> <87ljzjatoi.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <8b2d7b4d0807301542u41a4b774pa8b5fda67554f0da@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8b2d7b4d0807301542u41a4b774pa8b5fda67554f0da@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on mailserv4.its.unb.ca X-Virus-Scanned: at lists.debian.org with policy bank en-lt X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-3 tagged_above=3.6 required=5.3 tests=[LDO_WHITELIST=-5, ONEWORD=2] X-Rc-Virus: 2007-09-13_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2007-10-04_01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42406 X-Loop: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-mentors-request@lists.debian.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:08:04 +0000 (UTC) X-PMX-Version: 5.4.2.338381, Antispam-Engine: 2.6.0.325393, Antispam-Data: 2008.7.30.225519 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='BODY_SIZE_1700_1799 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __C230066_P1_2 0, __CD 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_LIST_HEADER 0, __HAS_LIST_HELP 0, __HAS_LIST_SUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_LIST_UNSUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sender-Verified: bounce-debian-mentors=bremner=unb.ca@lists.debian.org On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Sandro Tosi wrote: > Because it doesn't add any information for the end users, Sure it does. It tells end users what was changed in between the REJECT and the new upload. Eliding this means that it's no longer possible to trivially tell what was changed between uploads.[1] > if not confusion: it seems that 2 different version reached the > archive, since the users will see 2 different entries in the > changelog (for example using apt-listchanges) when indeed there is > only 1 package uploaded after the one previou in the archive. There were two uploaded, not just one. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how many have reached the archive when a user is examining changelogs. All you care about is the version that you have, the version that you're upgrading to, and any previous versions you had installed. None of those necessarily correlate with versions that are actually in the archive. > Ah, did I forgot to remember that "Our priorities are our users and > free software"? Obviously, which is why you should do what I suggested. You shouldn't treat changelogs of packages which happen to stop off at NEW any differently, even if they get REJECTed. Don Armstrong 1: Furthermore, you really should be tagging your uploads with the release that you uploaded to Debian with in your VCS. You are doing that, right? -- NASCAR is a Yankee conspiracy to keep you all placated so the South won't rise again. -- http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=327 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org